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Rick Wilson wrote:Van has said before that just because a person is trained, or a black belt, it doesn't mean they are invincible.
This clip is violent as it shows a death and while we don't know what lead up to it we can see the two men getting out of a car and off a motorcycle. The man from the car is a Black belt and the man from the bike pulls a gun.
We don't know what is being said but the unarmed man (the black belt) continues to press forward on the armed man who is backing up and away and the conclusion is inevitable.
The BJJ instructor's commentary on this page covers it all very well:
https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/bjj-black-belt-and-accomplished-competitor-killed-in-road-rage-incident/
This quote from the article has an obvious answer:
“Why would a trained martial artist continue to advance aggressively on an armed opponent who appears to be behaving defensively?“
Arrogance. Because I could easily get this guy to tap out in the dojo, I can beat his ass out here. Wrong.
Points out the difference between self defense and fighting, two distinctly different things.
Black belt made many mistakes , but the biggest one was thinking he had a sucker on the line.
And a weapon negates any training a dojo fighter has, which is why so many street people carry weapons.
A world champion Thai-style kickboxer was shot to death in the middle of a busy San Francisco street Friday after he chased down a hit-and-run driver who had slammed into his parked car minutes earlier.
Alex Gong, 30, was pronounced dead at the scene on Fifth Street near Harrison Street. Witnesses said he was shot at point-blank range when he confronted the driver, who apparently waited for a traffic signal to turn green before opening fire and speeding away.
Gong, who had been working out at the South of Market training gym he runs at 444 Clementina St., was wearing yellow boxing gloves and boxing trunks when he was killed.
I try my best to live by the words of Massad Ayoob:
When you are armed, you give up the right to give someone the finger in traffic.
This is because you can start a violent chain of events that leads to an unnecessary tragedy.
I extend that to being unarmed because any number of strikes in a violent, unarmed confrontation could end up the same way.
Using O.C. Pepper Spray on someone who is trying to pull you out of a vehicle could result in their being temporarily blinded and being hit by other traffic.
You just don't want to be confrontational, violent, or maniacal in your vehicle.
Too bad so many others have not learned this lesson, but one hopes that they run into the wrong person who then kicks their ass and teaches them.
The most important lesson in all of this, however, is that if you are one of the idiots and you think you have carte blanche to act this way...be careful of whom you decide to tailgate, give the finger to, and all of these other things.
You might just do it to an off-duty police officer and end up in more trouble than you know how to get out of.
And...don't vent your angry spleen at the person who won't break the law for you.
Don't follow them to "give them a piece of your mind," because you obviously don't have enough to spare by giving away a piece of it.
They might just clobber you, in fear for their life, because you are acting like a mental patient in your car -- especially so if you decide to stalk them to wherever they are going and confront them.
You might end up with a face full of Pepper Spray and a tennis shoe in your crotch for your trouble.
Woe be onto you if you exit your vehicle with something like an axe-handle or tire iron.
You might just get shot.
And you know what? The other person would be justified in doing so because you have no right to do this.
If you followed them home (or wherever they were going), they exited their vehicle, you exited yours, and you confronted them with a weapon, they could legally shoot you.
You might get run over as well, so don't think you get a "pass" on acting like a fool in a state that does not allow concealed carry.
The message to those of you who also become frustrated with the mobile psychotics of the world is this:
Don't confront these dullards. Do not provoke them.
Do not smile at them or nod your head as they give you the finger.
Just ignore them and, hopefully, they will go away and rush on to their next abomination in life.
The important thing that we need to realize, is that when happens, when we become crazed with rage or fear, lash out in ways we didn’t mean, verbally or physically.
Afterwards, we can find ourselves scratching our heads as to why we do or say such an awful thing. Or, why someone else might have done so. It can be quite bewildering.
This is precisely what happens when people argue. Whether it is with a beloved spouse or some idiot on the freeway who is driving too fast and cutting you off, it’s the same phenomenon.
The scary fact is, you weren’t ‘thinking.’ You were in a state of being “emotionally hijacked” or in “affective blindness.”
It is helpful to understand this emotional hijacking phenomenon both while you’re in the middle of such a state. It is not uncommon to come to calmer awareness later, not remembering what was said or what to say now.
And a weapon negates any training a dojo fighter has, which is why so many street people carry weapons.
Why don't more Americans take up martial arts instead of carrying guns?
Mostly because criminals are going to shoot you when you start imitating Jackie Chan. You start screaming and flailing, they’ll simply point their gun at you and kill you.
You: Hiiiiiyah!
Them: Bang.
Probably with a great deal of nonchalance about the whole affair.
I know that some martial artists claim their hands are lethal weapons, but unless you’re really good, yours probably aren’t even as good as butter knives.
Oh, just a side note. You need to find the fountain of youth, sooner rather than later.
Martial arts aren’t going to be that valuable when you’re working on your third set of knee replacements, your left hip clicks with each step, and your doctor has diagnosed you with osteoporosis... and your 'weapons' will fracture like glass when you are lucky to land a hit on someone.
But, uh, good luck with the crane technique.
The gun is the great equalizer. The Martial Art is the long-term, education and enhancement to one's life in every aspect, and it improves your odds of success in most every situation, but we are not bullet proof, nor invulnerable.
La FondIt is a double edge sword. When training in combative arts the ego can lead you to self-fulfillment and awareness. This results in improvement and growth.
Or your ego can force you to live in a distorted world of perception, devoid of any realistic thought or, more importantly realistic and functional training. Our ego and our own misperception of our ability can be destructive.
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