Stryke wrote:
Hey Jim have you had a good look at kotaekitae ? , do you agree its much more than a conditioning drill and could be remanants of another practice ?
No I don't know if I've seen this.. Got a clip?
Stryke wrote:
Gokenki evens pops up in shotokan references Jim , he had a huge influence it seems , though no one seems to be able to nail him down ..
It's more critical that some might beleive..
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The sticking training makes training some things possible that otherwise either wouldn’t be or would take a very long time to develop otherwise. Sticking training takes the clash, which happens in the blink of an eye and puts it under a microscope, magnifies it a thousand percent and injects the lessons learned directly into the CNS via tactile and visual feedback. This gives folks the time to refine and cultivate critical attributes that normally exist in combat only for a split second. Many of the techniques in these styles are designed for this range and compressed time reaction with contact but without this kind of contact study many movements and postures will seem out of place or seem to have no reason for being..
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Stryke wrote:
the crane dominates in Okinawan Karate it seems .
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I see the wauke component as applying as much on the inside as the outside reference point..or even...changing from inside to outside and back...
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If you are speaking of the wing hand and then I still see that as working inside and outside.. Some have suggested that the outside line is superior and that the inside line is equal, but the mantis moves like the inside, so do tiger, while crane often likes outside, and I think all of these inside systems address inside and outside control, you can't really have just one - just like ground fighters will train both side controls and mounts, guard, half guard, there are a lot of different positions to work.
The thrust thing is off line from a WCK standpoint still I agree that it seems to be an inside 'clear' but the centerline is off from how we use it.. This difference seems to manifest from the mantis vs snake influences, the snake in WCK, has this thrust start from the heart or center and shoots out rising a bit and riding the line, generally toward the eyes. That's the in-inside.
The sanchin thrust seems to take one of what I call the "double" centerlines that mantis sometimes uses. I do not fully understand how this structure relates to centerline control that they refer to but from what I know they seem to train splitting moves that seem to emulate the mandible of the mantis.