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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:20 pm

Here, a read of De Becker’s ‘A gift of Fear’

In The Gift of Fear, Gavin De Becker, teaches people how to protect themselves against things such as violence and knowing the dangers of violence before they happen. This has been an important aspect of being prepared when out in the world because there are many dangers lurking around and if you know the warning signs, you will be better prepared on how to handle them.

One lesson that caught my eye was his way of teaching people how to predict dangerous behavior. This is something that we could all use in the office, at home, and during daily routines while out.

Knowing how to predict dangerous behavior will help us to understand it better and know what to do before someone becomes violent towards us or someone else.

In his interview with Winfrey on Tuesday, February, 29, De Becker discusses what he calls "the gift of fear."

The signals discussed in his book and on the show are called PIN's or pre-incident indicators. He agrees with Winfrey that human beings are the only living creatures that do not listen to these signals; an example of which would be getting into an elevator or a 'steel chamber' with someone unfamiliar or that made us uncomfortable.

He stresses the importance of listening to the inner discomfort and watching for signs in your surroundings that impact you. Examples would be an open garage door that is usually closed, someone, however friendly, offering help that you do not know.

"So much attention, however is given to the warning signs, and what I really want to teach is to pay attention to the feeling, the feeling itself is the warning sign, why is this here, how easy would it be to go here, how easy was it go there, it's the feeling," he says.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:30 pm

http://www.warrior-concepts-online.com/ ... onse1.html

Recall that in the past, when I brought emotions in the self defense equation, many would obtusely discard this very important component, like as emotions don't trigger in a survival fight...or can be shut down...or some such non sense.

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The problem is that...

... the above formula is only half the equation!

The problem is that, we may learn best this way but, we operate very differently when under stress.

I don't mean just danger, but any time stress factors play on us. Whether we're talking about fear, sadness, happiness, or whatever, we simply operate in a different way than we learn.

And, this must be accounted for in the learning curve or we will simply be unprepared for a real-life encounter with an attacker bent on hurting or killing us.


I don't mean just danger, but any time stress factors play on us. Whether we're talking about fear, sadness, happiness, or whatever, we simply operate in a different way than we learn.

This is the reason why we see so many TMA learn so many techniques, attend infinite seminars, and still fall apart under the weight of stressful emotions that will make you operate in different ways than you learn. this was brought to our attention so well by Rory Miller in his teachings and his books.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:32 pm

The four base emotional responses to stress are:


Confident, stability - we're basically unmoved by the threat, because there is no perceived threat.

Defensive repulsion - we are overwhelmed by the source of the impulse and instinctively cover our targets or pull away to a safer distance.

Aggressiveness - we quickly move in to take control of the situation.

Evasiveness, avoiding - we sidestep or evade the problem, seeking primarily to completely avoid having to deal with the problem at all.

While there have been countless martial arts and self-defense systems that have been designed around a particular emotional response mode, no one mode is right or wrong in and of itself. Each one is an option to be channeled and used as a tool, if only we knew how.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:40 pm

But IMO the movement and body language seen by the perp was spelling TROUBLE or at the very least that 'something is wrong here'..


Right on. The victim knew something was up...but he went into denial, figuring that if you deny then it doesn't exist, true.

I think he was caught between a rock and a hard place
and in a state of confusion as to how to get out of it.

There is also a pretty good chance the slime ball had a blade on him which could have come out at some point had he run into some resistance.

This is the problem...most karate students don't have 'slime ball' experience and neither do the teachers.

So they train technique and really believe it is all they need to know.

I bet a good percentage of TMAs would have ended up the same way in that situation. Again read Rory Miller books.

As to tactics...the ability to profile continuously without conscious thought is but one component of your personal safety.

But there is another even more critical that I don't see much discussed or even acknowledged:

What is it?

It doesn't matter if you look like a fat ass, an easy mark or a tough biker.

What matters is your ability to read the 'effect' your appearance and demeanor has on others especially young men...punks...this goes to the 'identify-predict-decide-execute' I often speak of.

You must always consider what it is about you that other people see or sense,especially some punk working his 'selection'...be honest with yourself...many times just the way you look is enough to paint you as an easy target.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:49 pm

Now think of things you never think about.

As you profile and ID a threat…the potential attacker will trigger very strange feelings within you.

1.As you are engaged expect the situation to get really serious.

2.Expect fear to be a major factor.

3.Expect size and youth to matter a lot _

4.Expect strenght to be a crucial factor, there are people out there who can bench press 300....squat 400...and deadlift 500 lbs.

expect your stamina to be reduced ten fold as your blood thickens to the consistency of pancake syrup.

Expect to be taken to the ground and stomped to death.

Don’t expect to take him out with one strike...this is TMA foolishness...in real life you will need more than 'one strike/one kill' BS.

Expect to be maimed.

If you are in your late 30’s mid- forties…and beyond...death can come to you from heart failure in a violent confrontation, as your limbic system goes haywire.

this is something nobody ever considers, feeling invincible in a chosen system, and never having been subjected to the extremes of personal combat.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:52 pm

MikeK »

What I've learned comes from someone who besides being a healer and teacher was a highly trained predator for lack of a better term.

IMO learning things from the predator side offers a unique view of things. Where a person trained for defense has to figure out all of the possibilities of how they could be attacked and will still likely miss something, someone with a predator mindset can look and see the most likely ways they could be attacked in a given situation.

Kind of like the best counter-snipers are themselves skilled snipers.
I was dreaming of the past...
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:54 pm

Put yourself in the shoes of the victim.

1. You are being followed into the store.

2. You have no weapons…you do have a cell phone.

3. You know the stalker is going to kick your ass real bad if it comes to engagement, possibly kill you.

4. You don’t have what it takes to pre-empt him with real violence and you know it.

5. You enter the store, walk up to the counter, and the punk closely on your heels.

6. Will you ask the clerk to call 911 for you? What will you say with the guy next to you? Will you make matters worse if he hears you pleading for help?

7. Do you think/hope the clerk[s] will come to your help if you get pummeled?

8. Do you have the stomach for engaging the punk with some improvised weapon in the store? How and where will you look for one?

9. Do you see any way out of this nightmare? Will you be able to think straight?

10. What are some of the strategies you can come up with for keeping the punk from slugging you and get a message to 911?

11. Do you look like the victim? Fat, old, chubby face with a stupid grin, the perfect ‘putz’?
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 3:59 pm

self defence and martial arts must first and foremost be a study of violence .


Lack of this study is the bane of the average martial arts practitioner.

It is sad that students, for the most part, are not taught to 'see' beyond dojo work ...when assured that that their training is adequate for the streets.

After all, if it worked for the masters 100 years ago`...then it will work now..provided you have all the secrets.

And most deny the need for this education...as an example...wait and see how many really will take advantage of Rory's book ...written by a violence professional exposed to prison violence extremes.

They will feel threatened by what is in the book because it will topple their TMA pedestals...instead of using the knowledge in the book to sharpen the tools in the box.

It is the human condition.

Same goes for most people who carry guns under a license.

Attend a tactical school?

'No...not needed' is the usual response I have gotten by many 'confident' persons...on their way to prison or a slab in the morgue.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:04 pm

Passive Sonar vs. Active Sonar

Awareness is the #1 self defense ‘technique’ _

We all know about conditions yellow…orange…and red.

One of the problems with maintaining awareness is the amount of distractions that can cause its loss.

Any and everything from conversation to activities like loading the groceries and completing purchases.

Another problem is that it can become tiring and you just want to get back in a relaxed mode.

Yet another problem is by being observant you can raise suspicions.

So How do we practice being observant without becoming obvious and catching the ‘flags’?

First …we must have practiced the unconscious habit of ‘profiling’ people and possible threats activities and sounds so our subconscious alerts automatically.

Next we go through the day simply with a calm mind free of thoughts and laser concentration and just observe and see, feel and sense.

Think of your ‘educated’ mind as a sonar mechanism you can set to Passive or Active mode in response to instinct.
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Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:05 pm

Passive sonar you're taking in what's out there.

Active sonar you're almost being obtrusive, and people start noticing.


You learn to passive sonar by projecting your sensory input spun all around you as a finely tuned web awaiting ‘pings’ …

The world out there will merely pass through your sensory input until something pings.

Then the other cultivated awareness and prediction tools come into play.

While you may miss a few things that would be perceived if in full active mode… in the long run you will be better off as you will be able to maintain your awareness much longer without quick fatigue or distractions.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 4:06 pm

What is a ping? A ping is any input, visual or otherwise, instinctive or programmed that causes curiosity or concern as to its purpose or intent or an instinctive alert (the hair on the back of your neck standing up or a discomfort in your gut).

Pings are into two main categories, programmed and unprogrammed.

Programmed are specific things that you have determined are reason for additional scrutiny or action.

Unprogrammed are caused by things that you are consciously unaware of but that cause alert or alarm within you (the hair and gut thing).



Listen to your instincts even if you cannot determine what alerted them, because there are times when the subconscious mind will ping on something before the conscious mind does.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:38 pm

Programmed pings into three categories of descending significance.

Personal, other people and general.

A group of "utes" of questionable moral character approaching me would be personal. The same group of utes approaching or confronting someone other than myself, would fall under other people.

General are those who, at the time perceived, are not directly related to me or others. The same group of "utes" some distance away moving through a parking lot would be an example.

How do you determine what should cause a programmed ping? I cannot answer that question for you, only you can answer it.

Your answer will be based on your experience, training, and the environments in which you live and move. The key is curiosity. Cultivate curiosity for anything that varies from your recognized norm.

When looked at objectively, there are not that many programmed pings. Some examples would be rapid movement, loud, boisterous or strange behavior, anyone on a path or changing path to directly intersect you.

Individuals or groups positioned so that you must approach or pass through them to reach your destination.

Individuals or groups who seem to have an unwarranted interest in you and your activities, etc.

Once you begin specifically looking for these things, they will become ingrained and they will cause automatic recognition.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:39 pm

When you reach that point, less and less attention will be required for their recognition, enabling longer periods of operation. As an example, you are walking through the mall with your wife, talking and window shopping.

You see your friend Joe approaching from the opposite direction. Your mind pings on Joe and says, "Hey that's Joe".

You were not walking through the mall actively looking for anyone that you knew. You were actively engaged in other activities, yet the mind pinged the recognition of Joe.

This will work for pings other than personal recognition, once cultivated. There are some caveats.

If you are a person who is always looking at the ground or someone so self absorbed that you never see anything until you bump into it this method will not work for you, as I doubt, will any other.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:40 pm

If on the other hand you are fairly normal, in that you look where you are going and are at least somewhat cognizant of your surroundings, it should serve you reasonably well.

It will enable your to maintain a reasonable level of awareness for an extended period of time with out the fatigue or lapses normally associated with maintaining constant awareness.

In addition it will make your awareness less discernable by others and less disruptive for those like spouses who desire social interaction with you.
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Re: Good talk on blocks

Postby Van Canna » Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:41 pm

One point that deserves separate mention and attention is points of ingress and/or egress wherever you go. There will probably be some that are unknown to you, but to the extent possible be aware of as many as you can.

One of the biggest benefits of awareness is allowing one to avoid a situation before it comes to fruition, or to escape from it as it unfolds. Without the knowledge of routes to avoid or escape, they quickly become an exercise in futility or worse.

It is a definite cost/benefit winner as the knowledge is useful for anything from individual low level miscreants to fires, natural disasters and active shooters, to name a few.

This is not the only method of maintaining awareness, but it is a serviceable one. With effort it can improve one's level of awareness with minimal disruption to their daily activities or social interactions.
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