Glad you could see the humor intended in the film Bill. Others have suggested you have no sense of haha, they are obviously wrong. You have always struck me as rather witty and you have been known to put a smile on everyones face from time to time.
As far as deleting your post Bill, I'm confused did some make a rule that our posts can not appear on the same thread together?
This rewritting of history is a dangerous device.I'd rather let the truth of our words and our opinions hang in cyberspace unchanged. I think everyone would prefer to see bothsides presented on threads. This deleting of posts I find offensive. If one party can remove a post they are pretty much free to spin doctor what ever they wish after as house keeping. This kind of like mushroom management, (keep them in the dark and feed them schit)
This is just my opinion on this growing practice, I'm not saying anyone is being unethical.
But I'm confused, why you would want Van to delete your post? BTW you can delete your own post, it's easy I did it other day when GEM felt I had turned one of your post into a joke. I disagreed but to keep the peace I removed it.
On to Grossman, I did not discount the mans entire work. I find the work interesting and agree with much of it Bill. What I said was...........
I personally don’t buy into all of Grossman’s theories. His Book on Killing is a good read, but I view it as one mans opinion, without peer review. Good science requires peer review. Much the same as my posts on this forum, they are my opinions.
I do not believe we can become at ease with death by watching the real deal or Hollywood’s versions on the tube. I don’t believe Grossman has proven this point, nor do I believe his peers have validated this assumption.
This is my personal opinion Bill. I'm permitted one am I not?
I think it's okay for me to not endorse the work 100%. Just because the work is referenced by you and Van from time to time does not make it irrefutable.
My problem is some the second half of the book, some of the assumptions and conclusions Grossman suggests for the increased firing ratios in Viet Nam and in the Killing in America section.
I don't buy into the it's TV and Video that's desensitiving people. Peer review Bill as you well know is when a jury of your peers, experts in the field review your data and reach the same conclusions as you have. They deem the work valid.They suport the theories presented, they deem it good science. I may be wrong I did find one other doctor on the back jacket recommending the book. But thats not peer review.
Just because Grossman references a great deal of peer reviewed literature does not validate his work. It's the assumptions, theories and conclussions he puts forth in his book based on this literature that requires peer review.
Grossmans work not other previous work. It's pretty standard amoung academics to reference each other, giving great were it's due. This does not make any new assumptions unsuported by data or review automatically valid. You may choose to acccept everything in this work as gosple, I do not.
In his Book Grossman states
To prove that TV causes violence you must conduct a controlled, double-blind experiment in which,if you are successful, you will cause people to commit murder. Clearly to perform such an experiment with human beings is unethical and largely impossible.
well it's impossible to disagree with that statement. But I'd also say that it's convient. One can claim it's all in TV, but I can not prove it so just take it as fact. Grossman postulates that TV is conditioning us to kill, but it can not be proven. This I see as a big problem with his work.
I was very comfortable with his work until he started making these jumps. Grossman is a good read, much of it valid Bill, however I don't accept it as the holy grail. I do not think video conditioning is going to turn out to be the holy hand grenade that Grossman sugests. I do not think he is the last word on killing.I do not think Johhny will turn out to be a better killing machine on the battlefield because he's watched lots of snuff films or tv
Btw I think you can be a 3%er with out being a sociopath.But we best save that thread for another day.
Van, feel free (please) to delete my post when the situation is rectified
What exactly needs to be rectified Bill? What is the situation, and how do you think it needs fixing?