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"It does depend a little on what kinds of clubbell exercises you do. If it's light work (like weapon training) and you are using the clubbells to teach your body how to move (because you aren't punching air any more), then you could probably do it on your karate days. If it's heavier work, then do it on your "resistance training days."

Well I can relate that to my own training....I tend to do a workout where I use escrima sticks for two minute rounds followed by punching drills.....I did think that the clubbells might assist that 8) ........................I am as skeptical of Fitness gurus as much as martial arts ones.basically I have bought stuff before that really didn't do the job .....or were really not that good.,I have all the stuff by Matt Furey and it is very impressive.......or rather he is.....extremely flexible and strong and a lot bigger build than Scott .........I also have kettlebells in 12 and 20 kg weights and a couple of workout DVDS......and really I have to say I like machines. I know that everyone and his dog is into "Core" strength..but really I like machines coz I can train on my own and safely.and I like to train my quick seperatly from my strong.....and money is a serious issue with me. I won't pay out...when there is so much good stuff Free on the internet
http://www.youtube.com/user/scooby1961

I like this guys no-profit approache .......................and as with Bill, although he doesn't earn his living doing this , I don't find his opinions valueless :D
some of Scotts DVDs ( with a book) are relatively cheap 8) at $50...............................some are not

Re my comments about Rick...No offence intended :cry: ..........I just didn't think that you used weights, you don't have the look......and to be honest weights bore the arse off me.and I only ever did them coz my hip went bad
just doing karate can make you fit, don't need anything else :)
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jorvik wrote:
I like machines coz I can train on my own and safely.
This is the biggest reason why health clubs and hotel chains deal primarily in the machines. They don't require supervision, and you're less likely to hurt yourself.
jorvik wrote:
and I like to train my quick seperatly from my strong.....
That's fine if it's a "like" thing.

If you work only machines and you expect to do a physical activity, there are problems.

1) You don't learn "essential synergy." With open chain exercises (e.g. free weights, clubbells, etc.) doing multiple muscle group exercises teaches your body how to work the myriad muscles in ways and combinations that are generalizable to "real world" motions.

2) You miss out on working joint stabilizer muscles. Many shoulder injuries come about because people work the primary muscles in isolation and then said muscles overpower a stabilizer (like a rotator cuff) in a freeform movement.

3) You don't get as powerful an anabolic (growth) effect working isolated muscles as you do working muscles in combination.

If all you want to do is work the heart and get a pump to impress the chicks, then machines are fine. But for an athlete who wants to push his body, the machines should support open chain exercise activity.

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Thanks Bill. I think trying to fit club-bells into my routines, will take some doing.

My resistance/strength/power workouts…are always at the Gym and always combined with cardio work.

I get on the elliptical, punch in ‘random’ 35 mts _ level 15.

Including the cool down…I am on the damn thing 40 minutes in profuse sweating.

It is only then that I feel comfortable going to the ‘machines’ finishing with some free weights.

Half the time the weight training is of the explosive reps kind.

My doctor tells me my heart is made to order for such workouts. Stress echocardiogram qualified to ‘fireman’s protocol’…no evidence of any problems.

My Uechi workouts are just as strenuous with power forms, impact training, defensive drills and heavy conditioning.

After that…I need days of rest…and I don’t know how in hell I am going to get around to clubbells.
My biggest pet-peeve about the exhale-with-movement crowd is bringing that to the real world. When continuous movement is involved, you need to learn to work in both inhales and exhales. Otherwise you run out of gas - quite literally in this case.
I agree…I worked with this concept well under my soccer and rowing coaches.
"being breathed." When doing core movement, there is a natural inhale and exhale that happens with your body going through continuous posture changes. Understanding that, tapping into it, and "enhancing" it then takes the whole concept of breath augmentation to a level that you can use at the moment of truth.
I agree…the very best way indeed. Where I get ‘miffed’ at times, is trying to get ‘some’ not most … Uechi students to exhale properly ….to tighten the Thoracic muscle belt so as to reinforce their structure…and seeing that they cannot do it.
Van
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Jorvik/Ray: "I just didn't think that you used weights, you don't have the look......"

Well I did have the look for years, but you are right when I put on weight I lost the look.

However, I have the look back since I dropped over 50 pounds and regained my fitness last year and yes hit the weights while I did it.

I have mentioned losing the weight a number of times on a few forums over here too bad you hadn’t read any of them Ray – you must have just skimmed them. :wink:
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That is fantastic, Rick. Great job and a huge congratulations!

Ok, gotta post a picture...did you do a before an after picture, and did you change you diet as well. If so, how so?

After always having been fit and in the gym, I find now that I am in my fifties it is so much harder. I have noticed a very big metabolism drop...actually about every 10 years for me.

Again, congratulations. That is hard work. You go, boy!

Regards,
Vicki
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There's one expression I have stolen from Scott that I use as my mantra when teaching breathing with effort. It is the concept of "being breathed." When doing core movement, there is a natural inhale and exhale that happens with your body going through continuous posture changes. Understanding that, tapping into it, and "enhancing" it then takes the whole concept of breath augmentation to a level that you can use at the moment of truth. I think our "soft inside" strategy taught in Sanchin (open epiglottis) gives us a leg up over many who haven't practiced this.
Being breathed is where it`s at , however if your doing it , your exhaling on the sanchin thrust , unless you have no compression on striking .....

On the thread track , mixing methods of weight training can be very complementry , I have a heavy squat and pull up day , coupled with a kettlebell day split , there is a lot of crossover with the kettlebells , however the weight difference between a kettlebell and a squat means the pull and squat of the kettlebell can actually function as an active recovery somewhat , and I can use it to focus on complementy upper body work , Vice versa , holding a lot of weight on your back for a squat and adding the pullups is complementry to the kettlebell work .

of course thats just a for now thing , but it`s an example of the juggling act .
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A good plan Marcus. Where do you do all this working out?

Are you at a place where you can have access to the 'bells' and the space to work them?
Van
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Hi Vicki:

I'm 52 now and understand.

Don’t have an old pic handy (no surprise :oops: ) but there are lots of video on my web site showing the weight:

http://wilsonkarate.com/vids.html

But here is a recent picture that was used for a poster on a seminar I was asked to teach for a Jujitsu school on power striking and striking from the ground (your down the attackers are not):

Rick's Picture

Still more i want to lose but I am feeling great.

Yes I changed ten things about how I eat and ten things about what I eat.

I wrote this out for some folks that asked:

The Ten Changes to “How” I Eat:

1. The biggest change is the simplest and oddly the most effective. We (my wife and I are doing this together) eat off of 8.5-inch dinner plates rather than full size dinner plates.

This is the most effective and simple thing. I am somewhat shocked at how effective this has been. When you fill up an 8.5-inch dinner plate the thing looks very full but if you transferred the food to a regular dinner plate it would not be anywhere near as full as we would normally fill up our dinner plate.

Yet mentally we are eating a full plate and, after a few meals that is all you need to eat to fill up at dinner.

I think almost all of us were raised to eat everything we put on our plates so when we fill up a big dinner plate we eat it all even though we really don’t need that much to be full.

Because it takes something like 15 – 20 minutes before your body registers being full you just keep eating.

2. Of the 8.5-inch dinner plate we usually have 1/3 organic meat, 1/3 vegetable and 1/3 starch (whole wheat if pasta or bread) or 1/3 organic meat and 2/3 vegetables.

3. Don’t let yourself get hungry. In “You on a Diet” the authors say that to control what you eat you cannot let yourself get hungry because that is when you over eat. So, as many plans promote, I munch on healthy things throughout the day.

When hungry and dinner will be a little ways off I eat a palm full of almonds and they handle the hunger urges.

4. If I start to feel hungry I have something healthy to drink. Again “You on a Diet” says the body can confuse thirst with hunger so have a drink and make sure you are hungry before you eat.

5. Make sure I eat protein and carbohydrates for breakfast to stoke the furnace at the start of the day.

6. We eat more often because we are enjoying the taste of what we are eating so cut things up into small pieces and eat slowly savouring eat morsel rather than just shoving in more.

7. After cleaning my plate I have a glass of something healthy to drink and I sip it slowly enjoying it so that those minutes it takes the body to feel full pass by but I am still occupied eating/drinking so I do not notice wanting more of something.

8. I no longer have any extra bread products with dinner only the 1/3 portion of starch.

9. Stay the course and eat properly but if you really need to have a piece of that birthday cake then have it, BUT just do not make it a habit. Make it a special treat.

10. Always ask if I really need what I am looking at eating or do I really need it to look after hunger.


Those are the ten big changes to “how” I eat.


The Ten Changes to “What” I Eat:

1. Back in 1992 I was having a lot of digestive trouble and tracked it down to eating meat. So I stopped.

From 1992 to 2007 I did not eat any meat. I did eat cheese, eggs and a little fish because they did not trouble my digestion and I wanted the B12.

However, this last year I just had no energy. I was not getting the protein or something I needed to meet the demands I was putting on my body training.

My friend Reg had gotten heavy into organic foods and I began to wonder about organic meat.

It had occurred to me that when I was growing up I never had a problem eating meat but I seemed to recall a lot of wild meat. I wondered if that was just a childhood exaggeration so I asked my Dad and he said “Kid you were raised on moose and deer.”

So I tried organic meat and found it did not trouble me and I got my energy back.

Interestingly enough my wife used to have problems after eating steak but does not have any eating organic beef. She thinks it may be the much lower fat content.

We try to only eat about a palm size piece of meat at a meal or around that 1/3 of the 8.5-inch dinner plate.

2. Whole wheat as much as possible. Very little white bread products. No extra bread with meals. A nice French loaf is now in that rare “treat” category.

3. No refined sugar products unless it is a rare treat. Although what we do is have each night after dinner a small piece of dark chocolate (individually wrapped pieces about the size of a Canadian quarter). I eat is slowly and enjoy each tiny bite. This seems to handle the desert craving.

4. No deep-fried foods. I have French fry only as a special rare treat and they had better be pretty darn good fries for me to bother with them.

5. Have rinsed fruit like grapes or cherries out on the kitchen table to munch on throughout the night or weekend. It handles the snacking issue.

6. Have a healthy snack on hand. I am very fond of the new Salsa Sun Chip – whole wheat and no trans fat.

7. Eat low or no fat foods and no trans fat.

8. I take a few snacks to work like fruit or veggies or yogurt or a hard-boiled egg. I try to make sure I have something healthy to snack on throughout the day.

9. No big eating late at night. If I need something I have a healthy snack.

10. Pop has now become one of those very rare treats I allow myself.

I think these 10 are the major changes to “what” I eat.

Again referring to “You on a Diet” they say to faithfully make the changes for 14 days and then see, because after 14 days you have a great start on having changed your eating habits.

These worked for me.
Rick Wilson

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Sorry pic posted really large.

Here is the url for it: http://wilsonkarate.com/images/rick3.jpg

And if any were wondering that is what I wear when training.
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Rick,

You look great and I congratulate you on your will power. :)

You mentioned proteins for breakfast. What specifically do you recommend that is palatable?
Van
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Rick

I changed your image to a hotlink so that the page didn't get so screwed up.

Keep up the good work.

Van

The most important thing about breakfast is never to skip it. The research is pretty clear on this. People who skip breakfast are more likely to be obese. Breakfast revs the metabolism.

Rick will tell you what he prefers.

The most important thing Rick mentioned IMO is protein and carbohydrate. I totally get what he means. When I travel, hotels often offer a free "Continental Breakfast." Basically it's all carbs and that's it. That's a perfectly terrible thing to do for ANY meal. You should always match carbohydrate in a meal with a protein. And your carbs ideally should be low glycemic index carbs, unless it's just after an intense workout.

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Van Canna wrote:
Where I get ‘miffed’ at times, is trying to get ‘some’ not most … Uechi students to exhale properly ….to tighten the Thoracic muscle belt so as to reinforce their structure…and seeing that they cannot do it.
I rediscovered a lot of this by working simultaneously on a number of concepts. One was the "hard outside, soft inside" mantra of Sanchin. In other words, keep the epiglottis open at all times. Then I started experimenting more and more with Nakamatsu's body wave mechanics in Sanchin. Then it all kind of fell out on the table for me. Nakamatsu's motion on any kind of thrust involves 3 distinct parts. In the final part there is a snapping tuck along with a crunch. That's where your arm cracks out like a whip. If you do nothing but let your epiglottis stay open, you will "be breathed."

Most folks stop right their. But further investigation of these mechanics along with some flinch (startle) responses allows you to weave in both inhales and exhales with myriad movements. For the inhales, I am reminded of the previous generation's method for doing artificial respiration. It involved opening the chest for inhale and compressing it for exhale. It's possible similarly to open the lungs up when loading and/or chambering for various motions.

Another thing I learned from a green beret is the concept of combining a flinch-like block (that could take a whole thread...) with an inhale. Why? Because along with the arm flinch often comes a "gasp." Again... it's a matter of making your conscious training match what your amygdala will naturally make you do when surprised (sucker punched). Following through with the exhale then programs the body to take the next step. It works really well.

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You should always match carbohydrate in a meal with a protein. And your carbs ideally should be low glycemic index carbs, unless it's just after an intense workout.
What are the 'matches' you use in the breakfasts, lunch and dinner_ Bill?

For breakfast I love to eat eggs and toast...sometimes with Canadian bacon....but too many eggs no good...right?

I used to love, still do, my military breakfast 8O Yummy...

I have trouble finding the right proteins in the morning that won't make me retch :lol:

So cereals are out _ right?
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Good points on the breathing....I agree.
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Van

I have a number of different options for breakfast. Sometimes it's Shredded Wheat (no sugar in it) with some protein powder (a mix of whey and casein) and some skim milk or lite soy milk. Sometimes it's egg whites and bread, or egg whites and a few pancakes (no butter or syrup). Sometimes when I'm really strapped for time, it's a Glucerna shake (low sugar, good for diabetics) with some acai powder throw in it. I also often have some fresh juice or fresh fruit. Now and then I'll even have some sashimi with breakfast. Nothing like a nasal wasabi burn in the morning. ;)

Salsa is a really good thing to add to egg whites if you think they are too bland. Egg beaters is the same thing, and they taste like real eggs.

Whatever it is, it should never be about denial. Find healthy things you like and put them in the right combination.

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