Any idea who this guy is [ that wrote this]?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bruce Lee?
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Glenn
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Van Canna:
Any idea who this guy is [ that wrote this]?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Bruce Lee?
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Glenn
Any idea who this guy is [ that wrote this]?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>Bruce Lee?
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Glenn
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Plenty of good analogies and explanations here. It's clear that it's possible to "land" the foot without dissipating the forward momentum, but instead transferring it to the punch. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
Actually for several years after I had my knee operation and was studying Uechi, folks would comment (I didn't even realize it) that I would stand on one leg with the other wrapped around the back of the standing one. The concept of the crane works well for me. And if you are going to employ various sweeps (there are a number of good ways to do this), one basically has to pull it off on one leg. And last time I checked, I kick on one leg too. Try it – it works pretty well.
There is no denying that there's a "sweet spot" where the transfer of center momentum can shift to fist upon front foot plant without wasting it in the floor - if you know how to do it. This is the way I punched for years.
Later on, however, I learned a "one legged" way of punching that works for me too. If it doesn't work for you, don't do it. I suggest anyone that want's to make a decision for themselves try it out on the heavy bag. It doesn't lie. And as with Roy Bedard, he obviously has found a way to make it work for him too, as evidenced by what George is telling us from the focus mitt hits.
People used to shoot basketballs with two hands for years. Now folks can rain three pointers with a single hand. Doesn't sound like a good way to hold a basketball in a precise manner, does it? <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
But seriously...
Folks need to understand what they mean by hard exterior and soft interior in sanchin - as espoused by the classical Uechi folk. One should not be restricting the flow of air out the body while not breathing. I personally have no problem with folks that want to engage in a forced exhale while being hit. That works. But what happens when you get hit unprepared? Better understand that concept they try to teach in Uechi ryu, or you'll end up like this guy... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
Anyone want to know what I REALLY think? I think smart people steal lots of ideas and use what's useful in whatever circumstance that presents itself. Smart people learn to be guided - and not bound by - principles. Smart people try lots of things and learn to use what works for them. And if they are lucky, they can grab a handful of such things that all operate around a very few basic principles.
Good discussion, all! Very helpful to me.
- Bill
No.Try to stand on one leg for a while. Difficult isn't it?
Actually for several years after I had my knee operation and was studying Uechi, folks would comment (I didn't even realize it) that I would stand on one leg with the other wrapped around the back of the standing one. The concept of the crane works well for me. And if you are going to employ various sweeps (there are a number of good ways to do this), one basically has to pull it off on one leg. And last time I checked, I kick on one leg too. Try it – it works pretty well.
There is no denying that there's a "sweet spot" where the transfer of center momentum can shift to fist upon front foot plant without wasting it in the floor - if you know how to do it. This is the way I punched for years.
Later on, however, I learned a "one legged" way of punching that works for me too. If it doesn't work for you, don't do it. I suggest anyone that want's to make a decision for themselves try it out on the heavy bag. It doesn't lie. And as with Roy Bedard, he obviously has found a way to make it work for him too, as evidenced by what George is telling us from the focus mitt hits.
People used to shoot basketballs with two hands for years. Now folks can rain three pointers with a single hand. Doesn't sound like a good way to hold a basketball in a precise manner, does it? <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
Who told you to hold your breath when you get hit, Van?Also, it is extremely painful to get hit in the gut or in the ribs while holding your breath.
But seriously... Folks need to understand what they mean by hard exterior and soft interior in sanchin - as espoused by the classical Uechi folk. One should not be restricting the flow of air out the body while not breathing. I personally have no problem with folks that want to engage in a forced exhale while being hit. That works. But what happens when you get hit unprepared? Better understand that concept they try to teach in Uechi ryu, or you'll end up like this guy... <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
Tch, tch, tch!The only time I went down on the canvas is when I got caught holding my breath and someone nailed me in the ribs.
Anyone want to know what I REALLY think? I think smart people steal lots of ideas and use what's useful in whatever circumstance that presents itself. Smart people learn to be guided - and not bound by - principles. Smart people try lots of things and learn to use what works for them. And if they are lucky, they can grab a handful of such things that all operate around a very few basic principles.
Good discussion, all! Very helpful to me.
- Bill
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Hi Glenn,
You get an A. Yes it was Bruce Lee. But Bobby Campbell will make you fly the same way.
Bill,
Like I said, different strokes for different folks. But I tend to go with the real fighters’ opinions like Boxing coaches and Jack Dempsey as to practical applications tested in the ring.
Remember that we “play at fighting” _ with all these theories.
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> One should not be restricting the flow of air out the body while not breathing. But what happens when you get hit unprepared?
You are going to get the wind knocked out of you regardless of the Uechi breathing, as we see it all the time.
Put the top Uechi master in the world in the ring with a fair fighter, not even the best, and show me.
The theory is great though, I agree. But if I were a boxing coach of a world champion fighter I would be knocking on Uechi dojos all over the country if that theory would prove itself in the ring.
Now lets hear that Karate is not boxing, and a different standard should apply.
Like I said, different strokes for different folks. But I would go with Jack Dempsey and Bruce Lee. But that’s me.
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Van Canna
You get an A. Yes it was Bruce Lee. But Bobby Campbell will make you fly the same way.
Bill,
Like I said, different strokes for different folks. But I tend to go with the real fighters’ opinions like Boxing coaches and Jack Dempsey as to practical applications tested in the ring.
Remember that we “play at fighting” _ with all these theories.
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Good jab, Bill.. but not very solid..Your foot did not hit the ground..“Who told you to hold your breath when you get hit, Van? But seriously...
> One should not be restricting the flow of air out the body while not breathing. But what happens when you get hit unprepared?
You are going to get the wind knocked out of you regardless of the Uechi breathing, as we see it all the time.
Put the top Uechi master in the world in the ring with a fair fighter, not even the best, and show me.
The theory is great though, I agree. But if I were a boxing coach of a world champion fighter I would be knocking on Uechi dojos all over the country if that theory would prove itself in the ring.
Now lets hear that Karate is not boxing, and a different standard should apply.
Like I said, different strokes for different folks. But I would go with Jack Dempsey and Bruce Lee. But that’s me.
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Van Canna
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by candan:
[QUOTE]I debated this tonight after class with two of my peers who insist that a strike should be delivered after settling into "horse stance". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This whole discussion reminds me of something my instructor has mentioned noticing at the Summer Camps. He was taught (through the Takashi Kinjo lineage) to strike using the forward momentum in much the same way as Van Canna has described (he was also taught to use his hips/waist/lower body as Mr. Canna advocates). When he started going to Summer Camps he noticed that quite a few Uechi-ka strike only after settling into the stance and the forward momentum is gone (and that many don't use the waist rotation). While he questioned the effectiveness of this method, he assumed that the difference might be a difference in application...for example a power strike vs a pressure-point strike, or taking the offensive against your opponent vs striking an opponent who is charging at you (and thus you can capitalize on the opponent's momentum).
What's also interesting to me in this discussion is that my previous Uechi instructor studied under Seiyu Shinjo, but to me his karate appeared to be a lot different than how Mr. Canna describes Kiyohide Shinjo's karate. My previous instructor generally settled into the stance before striking and did not use the lower body/waist rotation. But then again he was a big, muscular guy and the way he did it probably worked for him. I remember one training method he used, he had us stand in a horse stance on a gymnastics balance beam and try to perform repeated hard punches without falling off the beam. Great for building leg strength and balance, but it certainly does not encourage getting the lower body into the punch. And that's the way he advocated us striking: All upper body, strong stationary stance, no forward motion. Which in turn is something my current instructor has been trying to break me of for years now...old habits die hard!
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Glenn
[QUOTE]I debated this tonight after class with two of my peers who insist that a strike should be delivered after settling into "horse stance". <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
This whole discussion reminds me of something my instructor has mentioned noticing at the Summer Camps. He was taught (through the Takashi Kinjo lineage) to strike using the forward momentum in much the same way as Van Canna has described (he was also taught to use his hips/waist/lower body as Mr. Canna advocates). When he started going to Summer Camps he noticed that quite a few Uechi-ka strike only after settling into the stance and the forward momentum is gone (and that many don't use the waist rotation). While he questioned the effectiveness of this method, he assumed that the difference might be a difference in application...for example a power strike vs a pressure-point strike, or taking the offensive against your opponent vs striking an opponent who is charging at you (and thus you can capitalize on the opponent's momentum).
What's also interesting to me in this discussion is that my previous Uechi instructor studied under Seiyu Shinjo, but to me his karate appeared to be a lot different than how Mr. Canna describes Kiyohide Shinjo's karate. My previous instructor generally settled into the stance before striking and did not use the lower body/waist rotation. But then again he was a big, muscular guy and the way he did it probably worked for him. I remember one training method he used, he had us stand in a horse stance on a gymnastics balance beam and try to perform repeated hard punches without falling off the beam. Great for building leg strength and balance, but it certainly does not encourage getting the lower body into the punch. And that's the way he advocated us striking: All upper body, strong stationary stance, no forward motion. Which in turn is something my current instructor has been trying to break me of for years now...old habits die hard!
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Glenn
What you say about Shinjo Kiyohide validates something I noted recently. I was watching a Kenyukai student's sanchin recently at a Mid-Atlantic regional, and noted an almost complete lack of movement or involvement of the lower body in his sanchin (or so it appeared from the outside). When I talked with him about it, he pointed out that Shinjo Kiyohide had "toned down" his hip movement on his last visit.
Who know... Methods tend to vary a bit depending on the venue you're training for. If you want to do a lot of karate tournament fighting, you're dead meat if you don't work on methods that accentuate speed. When you want to box, hitting hard is important and you don't have to worry about someone messing with your front leg, or applying "shoot" techniques for that matter. You also don't have to worry about breaking your fist on a guy's head because of the wrist/hand wraps and the gloves. And you only score a point when you hit with the tip of the glove. But in taequondo, you get penalized for any hand shot to the head. And in UFC, you can't gouge or bite or... or... And if you're a policeman, you can't just blow away someone with a smart mouth. Hitting first doesn't cut it (unless nobody is looking).
Best to be like the tea in the teacup.
- Bill
What you say about Shinjo Kiyohide validates something I noted recently. I was watching a Kenyukai student's sanchin recently at a Mid-Atlantic regional, and noted an almost complete lack of movement or involvement of the lower body in his sanchin (or so it appeared from the outside). When I talked with him about it, he pointed out that Shinjo Kiyohide had "toned down" his hip movement on his last visit.
Who know... Methods tend to vary a bit depending on the venue you're training for. If you want to do a lot of karate tournament fighting, you're dead meat if you don't work on methods that accentuate speed. When you want to box, hitting hard is important and you don't have to worry about someone messing with your front leg, or applying "shoot" techniques for that matter. You also don't have to worry about breaking your fist on a guy's head because of the wrist/hand wraps and the gloves. And you only score a point when you hit with the tip of the glove. But in taequondo, you get penalized for any hand shot to the head. And in UFC, you can't gouge or bite or... or... And if you're a policeman, you can't just blow away someone with a smart mouth. Hitting first doesn't cut it (unless nobody is looking).
Best to be like the tea in the teacup.
- Bill
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It is a matter of understanding and interpretation and practical application, as well as the efficacy of the methods we teach.
Maybe you are the one who has trouble understanding the method.
I see it differently than you do.
The method that is best, in my opinion, is the following:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> Internal Breathing
Internal breathing is like a teakettle that is building up steam. As the pressure in the kettle increases, there will be a slow release of pressure though a small hole in the spout.
There will always be near constant pressure within.
The lungs take on a similar function with internal breathing methods. There is a release of small bursts of air when delivering each strike.
With a rapid series of strikes, there will either be a release of several short bursts of air, or a release of a continuous stream of air out of the lungs.
At the same time there will be air pressure maintained within the lungs, much like the teakettle.
This turbo-charged type of breathing allows for incredible hand speed combinations that is unmatched by any other means.
The diaphragm and muscles in the body must tense properly to get the most benefit from internal breathing.
The best way to experience this is to exhale and form the mouth as to create a hiss.
There should be muscle tension low in the diaphragm and abdomen. This obtains maximum compression of the oxygen in the lungs and controls the amount of air that leaves the body.
There are other specialized internal breathing techniques that can produce phenomenal results.
World breaking champion Shawn Jewell is an advocate of breathing to develop internal energy.
He emphasizes the importance of the diaphragm in the progression of motion that develops this awesome force.
Unlike most other breathing methods, this type of breathing requires precise timing within a sequence of events.
As the nervous system fires muscles independently, these muscles contract in sequence to produce a wave of motion through the body.
The diaphragm must contract at the proper instant to continue this flow of motion. If there is a break in the sequence, a loss of energy will result.
These precision breathing methods are useful in many aspects of martial arts training, including grappling and joint manipulation techniques.
For general practice I find it helpful to focus more on the exhale and let the timing of the inhale come naturally.
You can hyperventilate if your breathing becomes too erratic. Breathing must flow with the motion with intermittent bursts of energy when needed.
Exhale when delivering a strike or kick, and train yourself to exhale and tighten the muscles when receiving a blow.
This prevents the air from being knocked out of you and prepares your body to absorb the impact.
Proper breathing can improve balance and mobility as well.
Inhaling while in motion creates buoyancy for greater foot speed, while exhaling when settling your body weight into a strike aids in better force and fusion upon impact to a target.
Fusion is the moment when the joints of the body lock in position as to allow the entire weight of the body to be behind the strike. Ed Parker was a master at this. Those who have also been at the receiving end of one of Parker's strikes know what I mean.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
[Fighting Dynamics
Maximizing Power Through Internal Breathing
By Don Smith]
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We see this all the time in sparring matches among high-ranking Uechi people.
You see much less of this in professional boxing matches, where; usually boxers take tremendous unexpected blows to their bodies with seemingly no effect.
They must be doing something good that inures them against the unexpected blow.
Like I said, the method/theory is good, but you have to show me in the ring against a good slugger.
That will make a believer out of me. Give me the best of anyone from the school of thought who can execute the game plan, and lets see if he can withstand some serious unexpected boxing blows.
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You bet. I take or use what works for me or validates my beliefs and discard the rest, and I advise my students to do the same.
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Remember that the Uechi breathing method is only one of many in use by martial arts masters, some of whom believe our “method” to be dysfunctional.
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Don’t start accusing me of misrepresentation of methods.THIS is what they mean by hard exterior and soft interior. Please don't misrepresent a perfectly good method.
It is a matter of understanding and interpretation and practical application, as well as the efficacy of the methods we teach.
Maybe you are the one who has trouble understanding the method.
I see it differently than you do.
The method that is best, in my opinion, is the following:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> Internal Breathing
Internal breathing is like a teakettle that is building up steam. As the pressure in the kettle increases, there will be a slow release of pressure though a small hole in the spout.
There will always be near constant pressure within.
The lungs take on a similar function with internal breathing methods. There is a release of small bursts of air when delivering each strike.
With a rapid series of strikes, there will either be a release of several short bursts of air, or a release of a continuous stream of air out of the lungs.
At the same time there will be air pressure maintained within the lungs, much like the teakettle.
This turbo-charged type of breathing allows for incredible hand speed combinations that is unmatched by any other means.
The diaphragm and muscles in the body must tense properly to get the most benefit from internal breathing.
The best way to experience this is to exhale and form the mouth as to create a hiss.
There should be muscle tension low in the diaphragm and abdomen. This obtains maximum compression of the oxygen in the lungs and controls the amount of air that leaves the body.
There are other specialized internal breathing techniques that can produce phenomenal results.
World breaking champion Shawn Jewell is an advocate of breathing to develop internal energy.
He emphasizes the importance of the diaphragm in the progression of motion that develops this awesome force.
Unlike most other breathing methods, this type of breathing requires precise timing within a sequence of events.
As the nervous system fires muscles independently, these muscles contract in sequence to produce a wave of motion through the body.
The diaphragm must contract at the proper instant to continue this flow of motion. If there is a break in the sequence, a loss of energy will result.
These precision breathing methods are useful in many aspects of martial arts training, including grappling and joint manipulation techniques.
For general practice I find it helpful to focus more on the exhale and let the timing of the inhale come naturally.
You can hyperventilate if your breathing becomes too erratic. Breathing must flow with the motion with intermittent bursts of energy when needed.
Exhale when delivering a strike or kick, and train yourself to exhale and tighten the muscles when receiving a blow.
This prevents the air from being knocked out of you and prepares your body to absorb the impact.
Proper breathing can improve balance and mobility as well.
Inhaling while in motion creates buoyancy for greater foot speed, while exhaling when settling your body weight into a strike aids in better force and fusion upon impact to a target.
Fusion is the moment when the joints of the body lock in position as to allow the entire weight of the body to be behind the strike. Ed Parker was a master at this. Those who have also been at the receiving end of one of Parker's strikes know what I mean.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
[Fighting Dynamics
Maximizing Power Through Internal Breathing
By Don Smith]
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It will come out just fine when you are hit, in knocking the wind out of you and you to your knees.But if you aren't HOLDING your breath, the air will come out just fine and you won't have the damaging internal pressures - IF YOU PRACTICE IT.
We see this all the time in sparring matches among high-ranking Uechi people.
You see much less of this in professional boxing matches, where; usually boxers take tremendous unexpected blows to their bodies with seemingly no effect.
They must be doing something good that inures them against the unexpected blow.
Like I said, the method/theory is good, but you have to show me in the ring against a good slugger.
That will make a believer out of me. Give me the best of anyone from the school of thought who can execute the game plan, and lets see if he can withstand some serious unexpected boxing blows.
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Do you find it interesting that we're often dancing from master to master to validate a method? Sometimes using the same masters?
You bet. I take or use what works for me or validates my beliefs and discard the rest, and I advise my students to do the same.
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Precisely the point. Lots of master instructors in Okinawa and elsewhere follow the same mindset.I personally refuse to be bound by anyone's set of principles.
Remember that the Uechi breathing method is only one of many in use by martial arts masters, some of whom believe our “method” to be dysfunctional.
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Van Canna
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My first exposure to your breathing method was circa 1974 through a shotokan practitioner by the name of Ray Berry. He claims to have learned it from a master Oshima, whom I have never met. Ray was power on wheels. He seemed only to practice two techniques - the lunge punch and a side thrust kick. But he and his student (Bob Berryman) were frightening to watch. Bob also boxed, and did pretty well with his single technique.
It is an excellent choice.
No point in going on about the rest; we are losing our "focus." As always, we sometimes end up at high pitch when articulating slightly different shades of the same ideas. And you are nothing if not passionate. I admire that.
- Bill
Now I'm on your side of the fence.some of whom believe our “method” to be dysfunctional
My first exposure to your breathing method was circa 1974 through a shotokan practitioner by the name of Ray Berry. He claims to have learned it from a master Oshima, whom I have never met. Ray was power on wheels. He seemed only to practice two techniques - the lunge punch and a side thrust kick. But he and his student (Bob Berryman) were frightening to watch. Bob also boxed, and did pretty well with his single technique.
It is an excellent choice.
No point in going on about the rest; we are losing our "focus." As always, we sometimes end up at high pitch when articulating slightly different shades of the same ideas. And you are nothing if not passionate. I admire that.
- Bill
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Thanks to everyone for excellent questions, comments, discussion, and analysis. As they say, great practitioners and teachers make everyone around them better. There is much here to ponder and digest.
- Bill
- Bill
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bill Glasheen:
And I stand by what I say about the expectation thing. If you don't see a gut punch coming, you can't know to exhale. But if you aren't HOLDING your breath, the air will come out just fine and you won't have the damaging internal pressures - IF YOU PRACTICE IT.
- Bill<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Getting the wind knocked out of you is not the only thing that can happen if you don’t see the punch coming. Is everyone familiar with how Houdini died?
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> Student’s Blow to Stomach Brought Fatal Illness, Physicians Declare
ILLNESS RESULT OF BLOW
Houdini’s fatal illness was the result of a blow given him by a student at McGill University, Montreal, week before last, friends say.
Houdini had lectured before the student body and in the open forum which followed was questioned as to the possibility of needles as passed through the face by East Indians as being fake. He answered the questioner by running a hatpin through his cheek and then invited any medical or psychic student to come to his dressing room if they desired any special information.
Many of the boys took advantage of the opportunity, and Friday night two of the students were present and commented upon Houdini’s unusual strength. They asked Houdini:
“You would hardly feel a blow in the stomach, then, would you, Houdini.”
“Certainly not,” said the handcuff king.
Before he was aware of the boy’s action and before he had the opportunity to set himself for it, one of the boys gave him two short arm blows to the pit of his stomach.
Houdini thought nothing of the matter beyond stating that they had made him wince at the time as he was unprepared, and went about his show.
CONTINUES DESPITE PAIN
Saturday night he was observed to double up several times as though from pain, while giving his final performance in Montreal. On board the train he complained of severe pains in his stomach. The next morning he still complained of increasing pain and at London his manager wired to George Atkinson, press agent for the show, to have the best physician available awaiting his arrival in Detroit.
He gave a performance at the Garrick Theater (in Detroit) last Sunday evening in spite of a high temperature and a physician’s warning, because he would not break faith with an audience which had packed the theater to watch his conjuring. (He was rushed to the hospital for surgery right after this performance)
He died in grace Hospital at 1:30 o’clock this afternoon (October 31, 1926 in Detroit) after a week’s illness. The cause of death was given as diffuse streptococco peritonitis, the result of a ruptured appendix.
Detroit physicians are of the opinion that it was the blow inflicted at Montreal that caused (his death). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
See what can happen when you try to show off with your Sanchin abilities.
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Glenn
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And I stand by what I say about the expectation thing. If you don't see a gut punch coming, you can't know to exhale. But if you aren't HOLDING your breath, the air will come out just fine and you won't have the damaging internal pressures - IF YOU PRACTICE IT.
- Bill<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
Getting the wind knocked out of you is not the only thing that can happen if you don’t see the punch coming. Is everyone familiar with how Houdini died?
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He would allow challengers to punch him in the stomach as hard as they wanted, but of course he had to prepare himself for it first (physically and mentally I presume). Sounds a bit like Sanchin testing. But one time he was not prepared. The following is from a San Francisco Chronicle article that came out the day of his death (I have re-arranged two of the paragraphs so that the story follows chronological order, and added some paranthetic comments for clarification):Houdini was known for his tremendous physical condition, and could withstand blows to the abdomen by tensing his muscles.
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><HR> Student’s Blow to Stomach Brought Fatal Illness, Physicians Declare
ILLNESS RESULT OF BLOW
Houdini’s fatal illness was the result of a blow given him by a student at McGill University, Montreal, week before last, friends say.
Houdini had lectured before the student body and in the open forum which followed was questioned as to the possibility of needles as passed through the face by East Indians as being fake. He answered the questioner by running a hatpin through his cheek and then invited any medical or psychic student to come to his dressing room if they desired any special information.
Many of the boys took advantage of the opportunity, and Friday night two of the students were present and commented upon Houdini’s unusual strength. They asked Houdini:
“You would hardly feel a blow in the stomach, then, would you, Houdini.”
“Certainly not,” said the handcuff king.
Before he was aware of the boy’s action and before he had the opportunity to set himself for it, one of the boys gave him two short arm blows to the pit of his stomach.
Houdini thought nothing of the matter beyond stating that they had made him wince at the time as he was unprepared, and went about his show.
CONTINUES DESPITE PAIN
Saturday night he was observed to double up several times as though from pain, while giving his final performance in Montreal. On board the train he complained of severe pains in his stomach. The next morning he still complained of increasing pain and at London his manager wired to George Atkinson, press agent for the show, to have the best physician available awaiting his arrival in Detroit.
He gave a performance at the Garrick Theater (in Detroit) last Sunday evening in spite of a high temperature and a physician’s warning, because he would not break faith with an audience which had packed the theater to watch his conjuring. (He was rushed to the hospital for surgery right after this performance)
He died in grace Hospital at 1:30 o’clock this afternoon (October 31, 1926 in Detroit) after a week’s illness. The cause of death was given as diffuse streptococco peritonitis, the result of a ruptured appendix.
Detroit physicians are of the opinion that it was the blow inflicted at Montreal that caused (his death). <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
See what can happen when you try to show off with your Sanchin abilities.
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Bill,
No problem.We are indeed very passionate in our beliefs and indulge in much analysis and research, and our students are much the better for it.
Wish all Uechi students boiled with the same passion.
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Van Canna
No problem.We are indeed very passionate in our beliefs and indulge in much analysis and research, and our students are much the better for it.
Wish all Uechi students boiled with the same passion.
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Van Canna
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Entering the low stance
Is everyone familiar with how Houdini died?
Glenn, Canadian punching power, it's legendary!
I wonder if he planted the front foot?
Laird
Glenn, Canadian punching power, it's legendary!
I wonder if he planted the front foot?
Laird
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Bill Glasheen
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Again, I have no problem with someone exhaling when getting hit. One of the techniques I teach to get people started on back falls is to have everyone say "Aw SSSHHH*****TTTT!!!!" when they hit the deck. It's an amusing way of executing the principle, and the sound of thumping bodies drones out the expletive. But what I find after you get used to doing it is that you don't have to ACTIVELY exhale (contract the diaphragm) to let the air out. You just need to make sure that you don't HOLD your breath either. It's just like the kicking pad with the air vent. It lets the air out without any batteries, and does just fine.
THIS is what they mean by hard exterior and soft interior. Please don't misrepresent a perfectly good method.
And I stand by what I say about the expectation thing. If you don't see a gut punch coming, you can't know to exhale. But if you aren't HOLDING your breath, the air will come out just fine and you won't have the damaging internal pressures - IF YOU PRACTICE IT.
But we digress don't we, Mr. Raspberry?
Do you find it interesting that we're often dancing from master to master to validate a method? Sometimes using the same masters? Speaking of Bruce Lee, he was a contrary by nature - as you well know.
Once again, I personally refuse to be bound by anyone's set of principles. Lots of things can be made to work, if the individual takes the time to learn how to execute. Often there are many really good ways to do something. I personally like having all those options.
- Bill
Ahhh...grasshopper learned the lesson of the strawman from a great master!I don’t know who is telling you that...
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Case in point. Take anyone from any school of thought who can't execute the game plan, and they ****** - period. But no need to attribute bad execution (or a total misunderstanding or misrepresentation of a method) to the method itself.You are going to get the wind knocked out of you regardless of the Uechi breathing, as we see it all the time.
Again, I have no problem with someone exhaling when getting hit. One of the techniques I teach to get people started on back falls is to have everyone say "Aw SSSHHH*****TTTT!!!!" when they hit the deck. It's an amusing way of executing the principle, and the sound of thumping bodies drones out the expletive. But what I find after you get used to doing it is that you don't have to ACTIVELY exhale (contract the diaphragm) to let the air out. You just need to make sure that you don't HOLD your breath either. It's just like the kicking pad with the air vent. It lets the air out without any batteries, and does just fine.
THIS is what they mean by hard exterior and soft interior. Please don't misrepresent a perfectly good method.
And I stand by what I say about the expectation thing. If you don't see a gut punch coming, you can't know to exhale. But if you aren't HOLDING your breath, the air will come out just fine and you won't have the damaging internal pressures - IF YOU PRACTICE IT.
But we digress don't we, Mr. Raspberry?
Do you find it interesting that we're often dancing from master to master to validate a method? Sometimes using the same masters? Speaking of Bruce Lee, he was a contrary by nature - as you well know.
Once again, I personally refuse to be bound by anyone's set of principles. Lots of things can be made to work, if the individual takes the time to learn how to execute. Often there are many really good ways to do something. I personally like having all those options.
- Bill
