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Canadian election....

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Punk ass bitch(Harper) vs bitch ass punk(dion)

Honeslty, i really don't know who im going to vote for.

Mid-east affairs is no longer a deciding factor for me, as i realized that the liberals were just as eager to jump into Iraq as harper.

Harper is not the canadian bush as people fear.EDIT: well maybe. Not so far.

But Dion isn't closet socialist like people think.

Right now, im leaning toward the status quo and want another minority.

I like what harper is doing with the military(ie making it...you know useful)

But for the liberals, i know someone who's planning to run for MP for the liberals. so thats a point for them, though im unimpressed about Dion's platform.

My mom wants to vote liberal.

I think my dad is like me right now and wants the current minority.



So im grossly confused.
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At some point, Adam, you will need to come to grips with both your political and your moral compass.

Canadian governments on average tend to be more liberal than ours. Until now, Canadians have been happy to pay higher taxes and let the government handle affairs that we'd do via the free market. It's a choice.

You are insulated to some extent from global economic issues in that you are a net energy producer. In these hard economic times, countries that make what others need will do fine. But demand for everything - including energy - will go down in the next few years. That means tougher times, and tougher choices.

You will also need to come to grips with the degree of social freedom you want. Are you happy with the way things are? Do you ever want to get married? What kind of environment do you want to raise your kids? Do you trust your ability to guide them through choices in life?

The decisions really aren't as hard as you thing. Politics is largely a local issue. You will - and should - vote your self interest. In the end, personalities aren't that important.

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Adam, I thought you'd made up your mind to vote Vegan Party!

Hmmmm, silence.......

Sorry, is that joke already too old?

:twisted: :lol:
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Chris McKaskell wrote:Adam, I thought you'd made up your mind to vote Vegan Party!

Hmmmm, silence.......

Sorry, is that joke already too old?

:twisted: :lol:

No, no it's not. Not really. :)


You will - and should - vote your self interest. In the end
It seems so selfish though. What if my self interests are bringing someone else's down?
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AAAhmed46 wrote:
Bill Glasheen wrote:
You will - and should - vote your self interest. In the end
It seems so selfish though. What if my self interests are bringing someone else's down?
In 1972 - the first year I voted - I voted for George McGovern. It wasn't because I wanted George McGovern to be president. Oh my god... he was god awful. The real reason is because I hated Nixon THAT much. He was a terrible president on the economy (wage and price controls, which killed the stock market), on the Vietnam war (his "peace with honor" was a virtual surrender") and his character (it was only a matter of time before the burglary at the Watergate Hotel was tied to him). I wanted to bring the bastard down, although at the time I was in the minority.

Over time, most of the country saw the wisdom of my sentiments.

Buh bye, Tricky Dick!

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Vote your self interest, Adam. It'll all even out, and the right thing will happen. More importantly, just VOTE! Most of the young do not vote. And you know what? They then get the government that they deserve - one chosen by others.

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Honeslty, i really don't know who im going to vote for.
Well, if nothing else,

Harper is the only one who will not restrict firearms. Everyone else supports a full range of new restrictions.

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Sochin wrote:
Honeslty, i really don't know who im going to vote for.
Well, if nothing else,

Harper is the only one who will not restrict firearms. Everyone else supports a full range of new restrictions.

Ted
Ted, that's only one of many issues affecting this country. I, personally cannot countenance voting conservative for one issue only -- especially when I'm still angry about the income trust thing.

We lost several jobs as a result of that -- collateral damage that almost resulted in shut down!

Among other things....

They'v lost my trust and hence my vote.

The tricky thing is there's no one else to vote for.

I'm as confused as Adam -- one thing's for certain - I know who I'm NOT voting for.
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I'll spell it out for you Adam.

A) a vote for the liberals means you forfeit your right to own firearms and you believe the government is responsible for you well being. You are willing to pay ##### loads of taxes so they can decide on your behalf and look after you.If it means running a deficit they don't care that's why The world owes you a living.

B) a vote for the NDP's means you forfeit your right to own firearms. A vote for these guys is a vote for unions. You believe you should make the same as the other guy even though you produce less. You don't believe you should suceed as a result own your own hard work. Sucessful business owes you a living. Comrade if you vote for the NDP you must realise that after they tak business into the stone age you will be next.

C) A vote for a Greens means you don't give a schit about making a living , you probably still live with mommy and daddy, if not they are probably paying for you to live long far away in school where they hope you will learn something and abandon your idealistic childish view of the world. You believe the sky is falling and your going to save it! Doesn't matter your party has no economic patform or foreign policy....who needs trade your allowance pays for everthing! Oh yeah it also means you don't believe any one needs firearms, ghandi did well without them lets sit around the fire singing kum bi ya nad eat veggie burgers. Man bad nature good!

D) A vote for the Bloc means you don't give a schit about Canada, Your a french man, you got your ass kicked by the english centuries ago and you've still a chip on your shoulder. You'd leave this damn country but unfortuatetly your priovince generates more income threatening to leave than you possibly could if you left. If you vote for the bloc you believe if you whine loud enough everyone owes you a living. If your a Bloc member your anti gun because Quebec folks tend to go postal while at school.



E) A vote for the Conservatives means you want to keep your firearms, you want to keep your income. You don't want government to run your lives.You shun Orwellian societies.You favour balanced budgets and believe you actually have a role to play in the out come of your financial well being. You believe you owe your self a living.


The Bloc and Greens are kind of the extreme nutzo fringe parties.

The NDP is the nutzo socialist party that's anti gun and anti military. They have never governed the nation but they have financially destroyed several provinces.

The liberals are pro social programing and the hell with the costs, 'we will pay for it some day."..but they never have. Possibly your great grandchildren will pay off this debt, Adam...as long as no wankers vote them in again to run it higher. They are also responsible for destroying our military!

Conservatives are pay as you go and pay your own way folks. They have an expectation that we reap our own reward. As a government they are small foot print folks.

They have huge support among the rural folks who work for a living and they are pro gun.-----------------------------------------------------------

We took two bears out of town this week...Imagine how us rural folks feel about our urban neighbors who seek to disarm us. To be honest I'd rather shoot you urban anti gun peckerwoods than the bears!

It's obvious we live in two different nations. I'm about to declare war on yours! BTW we buried another hunter in my hunting territory. Grizzly killed him. Lost another last year about 5 k's north of this one. I was camping there the year before and left because the tent case surrounded in bear prints and I didn't feel like feeding the kids to the critters to keep the holophobs in Toronto happy..

I'm so sick of central Canada. I'm so sick of urban Canada. Why don't you guys just friggin pisss off!

Leave me in peace to live my life. This week we shot a grizz in town, we also had a black bear in town for two days, within two blocks of the elementary school. We kept a close eye on it and had no need to kill him, we got him out, he never came back.

But be advised, any predator in or around my family is a trigger squeeze away from the end. I'll not have a bunch of peckerwoods a few thousand miles away thinking they are saving the world and protecting wildlife by disarming me.

More and more the urban rural split forces many of us to abandon the concept of a nation sea to sea. Regional government becomes more and more appealing. The values and lifestyle of central Canada certainly do not resemble mine.


Then again even Adam has signifently foreign views to mine. It may be time to declare the kingdom of Elliott and seize my lands....got them picked out....I'm well equipped and probably better trained than those who might be sent to seize them. :lol:


Note***didn't proof read or spell check, have to crash going hunting in the Am!!!!
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Thats the cander I`d choose ...... , still cant gst that annoying campaign out of my head , if they want to be a politician they shouldnt be allowed
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Problem is, no matter who i vote for, fire-arms isn't something i could get. My uncle got hassled when he went down south and wanted to extend his visa(he's Australian visiting family in the states) im sure me getting a gun would cause me to go to sleep and one day wake up somewhere in a cell in Cuba beside an old arab named Habib who hasn't washed his beard or his ass in a long time.
As a martial artist, id love to play with guns for the sake of playing with guns. But too many times i have seen too much scrutiny over this.





Dion is a dumbass. He has nothing to sell himself on. He has nothing. Environment is the least of my concerns.

NDP really have no real testable value. Have they EVER been in power before? Do we want the military castrated?

Harper, the problem i have with him is that, he may stay out of my pockets, but there is a chance that he could cut other rights i may have. Problem is, we have only seen him in a minority, where everyone was walking on eggshells. I don't know anything about him really.

Not gonna talk about the green party. I mean what the hell? Huh?What?

The bloc: Well, i like canada so no.

I might not even vote.


lets look at things this way:

We got mcdonalds

We got A and W

We got Arbies

We got burger king

They all sell burgers. they all sell fries. They more or less have the same things

Mcdonalds may use different ketchup.
Burger king may have special fries

A and W might have better root beer.


But in the end, they all still are giving me burgers and fries and root beer, albeit different grades of it. Nothing really different despite how it's shown.

Sometimes we want more of the same. But sometimes we don't.

Sometimes i wished we had a direct democracy like in the states.

Canada is great as a minority. Because that way, no one passes bills like crazy*cough* Jean cretin*cough* without real talk. So everyone is REEAL careful. Something else about the states i like, is how because if the president wants to do anything, he has to pass it through congress, which as long as there isn't a panic like 9/11 the bills get more of a filter.


Maybe i should seriously just fully come over to the anarchist thing. But sometimes, i don't like them either. They live in a fantasy land sometimes.

Honestly, i think im just fed up with the system.





I am a believer in voting however. Voter apathy can ruin a country, and im scared i might idly sit by and let something bad happen.

I still need to do way mor research. I got to get off my ass and do it. Instead of reading all these martial arts books.
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Stryke wrote:Thats the cander I`d choose ...... , still cant gst that annoying campaign out of my head , if they want to be a politician they shouldnt be allowed
Ha! I had forgoten how much that Paul Martin liberal dude irritated you mate. :lol:

For memory lane Marcus. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_f ... tion,_2006
Never made it hunting today, I'm a bit under the weather. :cry:

Adam, if we don't vote then we get the kind of government we deserve, and we have no right to complain about it. :wink:

Just because your a brown guy doesn't mean you don't have the right to firearms, lots of brown guys have firearms. However the question may be mute. Where aso many politcal parties have failed to take away firearms from Canadian citizens Home Land Security might just have suceeded. :evil: :evil: :evil:

The latest nail in the coffin of fire arms freedoms in Canada is being hammered in south of the border.

The latest rule out of the States, in order to export a firearm of military caliber to Canada the export liscense must contain the name of the end user.

What's a military caliber? .223 , 303 , 308,270, 30.06, 338, 7.62x39 7.62x 54 7.92x57 .500 9mm 38 S&W 40 S&W .45 12 guage etc...just about everything!

What's it all mean. Well once firearms dealers sell off their stock it means it's going to be tough to import more stock, because the US will not ship unless the customer purchasing a weapon is named. Yeah if the name is Habib good luck! :roll: But it also means customers will not be able to go to the store and handle these firearms before purchasing.

Yeah we will still see other firearms in this nation, lots oc chineese crap made by norinco. We will still see austrailian lee enfields in .308 because these firearms come direct to Canada from these countries. But anthing image made in the states like bush master armalite remington browning savage ruger etc. forget it. Kind of *****.

In time we will see the firearms dealers import direct and by pass US export laws , so we will see barretta export their crappy pistols and fine shot guns directly to Canada. The same will happen with other foreign manufactures.

But all those great american firearms will disapear as more and more of the surviving gun dealers jusr opt to stock off shore firearms and bypas the excessive red tape and BS.



So i'm going to stock pile a few of my favourites before the oppourtunity is gone. I'm ordering my New Savage .308 today! I've got a line on a bushmaster I'll probably pick up too.


Won't be long before ammunition also comes under US scrutiney I suspect. Just might have to start loading my own.

Who needs the liberals when you got homeland security to do it for them!

Now I'm off to save the world, Might as well get paid to be sick than sit around feeling sick.
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The government trying to hassle you into not owning guns is a great reason to go buy guns.
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Amen! :multi:
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Laird2 wrote:
Stryke wrote:Thats the cander I`d choose ...... , still cant gst that annoying campaign out of my head , if they want to be a politician they shouldnt be allowed
Ha! I had forgoten how much that Paul Martin liberal dude irritated you mate. :lol:

For memory lane Marcus. :lol:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_f ... tion,_2006
Never made it hunting today, I'm a bit under the weather. :cry:

Adam, if we don't vote then we get the kind of government we deserve, and we have no right to complain about it. :wink:

Just because your a brown guy doesn't mean you don't have the right to firearms, lots of brown guys have firearms. However the question may be mute. Where aso many politcal parties have failed to take away firearms from Canadian citizens Home Land Security might just have suceeded. :evil: :evil: :evil:

The latest nail in the coffin of fire arms freedoms in Canada is being hammered in south of the border.

The latest rule out of the States, in order to export a firearm of military caliber to Canada the export liscense must contain the name of the end user.

What's a military caliber? .223 , 303 , 308,270, 30.06, 338, 7.62x39 7.62x 54 7.92x57 .500 9mm 38 S&W 40 S&W .45 12 guage etc...just about everything!

What's it all mean. Well once firearms dealers sell off their stock it means it's going to be tough to import more stock, because the US will not ship unless the customer purchasing a weapon is named. Yeah if the name is Habib good luck! :roll: But it also means customers will not be able to go to the store and handle these firearms before purchasing.

Yeah we will still see other firearms in this nation, lots oc chineese crap made by norinco. We will still see austrailian lee enfields in .308 because these firearms come direct to Canada from these countries. But anthing image made in the states like bush master armalite remington browning savage ruger etc. forget it. Kind of *****.

In time we will see the firearms dealers import direct and by pass US export laws , so we will see barretta export their crappy pistols and fine shot guns directly to Canada. The same will happen with other foreign manufactures.

But all those great american firearms will disapear as more and more of the surviving gun dealers jusr opt to stock off shore firearms and bypas the excessive red tape and BS.



So i'm going to stock pile a few of my favourites before the oppourtunity is gone. I'm ordering my New Savage .308 today! I've got a line on a bushmaster I'll probably pick up too.


Won't be long before ammunition also comes under US scrutiney I suspect. Just might have to start loading my own.

Who needs the liberals when you got homeland security to do it for them!

Now I'm off to save the world, Might as well get paid to be sick than sit around feeling sick.
Uh what? Bah!

Can canadian political parties do anything about this south of the border?
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