Dana Sheets wrote:It's obviously a staged photo. Why pick on technique?
I find their technique quite nice
You know what the real problem with Uechi is?
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It's difficult to comment on handling a high kick from a static photo.
How would you handle this one?
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/96747/kic ... _knockout/
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How would you handle this one?
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/96747/kic ... _knockout/
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The heavier man was clearly outmatched. It was a great knockdown knockout kick to the head. I think that's one you duck under if you see it coming or step back and counter attack, but that man just didn't have a chance agaist a much faster and highly skilled opponent.How would you handle this one?
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/96747/kic ... _knockout/
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John wrote:
Is there some reason that the young women are beyond improvement? Or see some limitations in a high kick? Speak out and defend the position of the girl who is kicking by advocating the advantages of such a kick.
Gladly
1) There isn't one GUY posting on this thread who is as ripped as the kicking woman, much less any person. The only women I've ever seen that ripped are the ones competing on the bodybuilding stage.
EAT YOUR HEART OUT, WANNABES!!!
2) I seriously doubt there is anyone posting on this thread who is as flexible as that woman.
3) I seriously doubt there is anyone posting on this thread who has the leg dexterity of that woman.
4) Last time I checked, women don't need to worry about getting punched in the groin.
As Dana stated, this is a staged photo. I have done staged photos as well for promotional purposes. I have one dating decades back of me folding a heavybag with a flying side kick. Does that mean Uechi Ryu is about throwing flying side kicks against bad guys on the street? Of course not. Did the publicity photos I had done of me flexing while holding this guy's custom jars in Sanchin mean I fight while flexing? Don't be ridiculous. Does it show what my Uechi training did for me? Absolutely. Does it demonstrate how far I came from all that training? Yep. Did the flying side kick photo get people signing up in my classes? It probably got me at least several hundred students over the years.
Marketing is marketing. We put our best foot forward, so to speak. And there is good marketing and bad marketing. It should be obvious to most discerning martial artists which photos inspire, and which make us want to reach through the screen and slap somebody.
Let me ask you this. Put yourself in the shoes of a woman wanting to know if she should do martial arts. Look at that photo through a woman's eyes. What does it say to her? And if you totally don't get that perspective, talk to a woman. They think differently from men. And vive la difference!
For what it's worth, Joe Pomfret got more than a few KOs from high roundhouse kicks to the head during his full contact fighting days. From film clips I've seen, he threw them effortlessly. And I guarantee he didn't learn that in the BJJ side of his martial training.
Anyone ever seen Shinjo Kiyohide kick in his prime years? Do you know that one kicking combination I choreographed into my 38 special form is a combo I "stole" from watching Kiyohide? And by the way, it was a (gasp) spinning kick!!!
Why in God's name would his dad let him do that???- Bill
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Stryke
Hey Bill while you have a point .....
the real point is it`s a snapshot in time , theres nothing to say they didnt do exactly what Johns suggesting in the next millisecond . (although I doubt it and think it was more a photo shoot)
to critique a still dead shot is pointless , theres no context , theres no before or after just during .
no way to judge how he defender got put there , no after to judge what next .
the only thing to critique is distance and guard , and they are heavily influenced and not managable by said context .
discuss high kicks by all means , but this is a shakey premise at best .
(I dont like em even though I could/can do em)
the real point is it`s a snapshot in time , theres nothing to say they didnt do exactly what Johns suggesting in the next millisecond . (although I doubt it and think it was more a photo shoot)
to critique a still dead shot is pointless , theres no context , theres no before or after just during .
no way to judge how he defender got put there , no after to judge what next .
the only thing to critique is distance and guard , and they are heavily influenced and not managable by said context .
discuss high kicks by all means , but this is a shakey premise at best .
(I dont like em even though I could/can do em)
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Achievement and/or Promise
From a parent's perspective I'd be extremely proud of the physical accomplishments and the results of the dedicated hard work of the two sisters.
I notice they are black belts and that the photos are dated about 5 1/2 years ago per the link in Mike's post.
http://www.photosport.com/martialarts/martialarts05.htm
I don't know where the women might be in their training paths right now. I do hope they are training and that they have progressed particularly in the area of personal growth to the poiint where they are self-evaluating and self-correcting.
There's at least 100 photos there of the women engaged in sparring tag drills which are excellent aerobically, and great for timing, distance and focus purposes. The girls are essentially kicking each others blocks in the sequence and not fighting. These are drill photos and provide a greater context of the one extracted photo which is in group 37-54, middle row on the end.
Glasheen Sensei is known for choosing his words carefully. He identifies several areas of achievement demonstrated by the women but does not once mention "karate."
Again, speaking parentally, I know there is more for these girls should they choose to continue on in their training.
Some heavy bag work and target pad drills while moving would add the important elements of impact training and conditioning to their feet and shins.
Accha in the photo has her kicking leg at about 11:00 o'clock. She might want to seek a fuller range of motion and in a static position reach 180 deg. 12:00 up position which each leg. Then under stress and duress she could kick hard, kick through a simple shuto block, and kick a target at her head level.
Flexibility is an importanent component of speed and the greater her skill the greater her mobility and movements will become. Can she drop into 180 deg side splits? Working on floor level splits will assist her high kicking skills and in her movements in grappling circumstances. She can learn power drop takedowns in which she switches levels in low horse stances so that she can actually drop on or beside an opponent that you bring down and still have her back erect and deliver punishing punches and then move on. This way you are not stooping or bening over, viz. Seiyu Shinjo's famous photo.
My son has been attendng seminars and regional workouts in the mid-Atlantic states for the last ten years. People always want to know how he achieves his flexibility. He's about 177 deg. in his full side splits. He's set a 6 month goal to finally reach 180 deg. with plyometrics and fast twitch muscle resistance drills. He's a Yondon now and the exercises I've mentioned above are what he does.
Fortunately, he's got the self-correcting self-directing circuit boards in his personal wiring and a couple of extra motivational plug-ins to boot.
Good luck girls. You're the future of our art.
I notice they are black belts and that the photos are dated about 5 1/2 years ago per the link in Mike's post.
http://www.photosport.com/martialarts/martialarts05.htm
I don't know where the women might be in their training paths right now. I do hope they are training and that they have progressed particularly in the area of personal growth to the poiint where they are self-evaluating and self-correcting.
There's at least 100 photos there of the women engaged in sparring tag drills which are excellent aerobically, and great for timing, distance and focus purposes. The girls are essentially kicking each others blocks in the sequence and not fighting. These are drill photos and provide a greater context of the one extracted photo which is in group 37-54, middle row on the end.
Glasheen Sensei is known for choosing his words carefully. He identifies several areas of achievement demonstrated by the women but does not once mention "karate."
Again, speaking parentally, I know there is more for these girls should they choose to continue on in their training.
Some heavy bag work and target pad drills while moving would add the important elements of impact training and conditioning to their feet and shins.
Accha in the photo has her kicking leg at about 11:00 o'clock. She might want to seek a fuller range of motion and in a static position reach 180 deg. 12:00 up position which each leg. Then under stress and duress she could kick hard, kick through a simple shuto block, and kick a target at her head level.
Flexibility is an importanent component of speed and the greater her skill the greater her mobility and movements will become. Can she drop into 180 deg side splits? Working on floor level splits will assist her high kicking skills and in her movements in grappling circumstances. She can learn power drop takedowns in which she switches levels in low horse stances so that she can actually drop on or beside an opponent that you bring down and still have her back erect and deliver punishing punches and then move on. This way you are not stooping or bening over, viz. Seiyu Shinjo's famous photo.
My son has been attendng seminars and regional workouts in the mid-Atlantic states for the last ten years. People always want to know how he achieves his flexibility. He's about 177 deg. in his full side splits. He's set a 6 month goal to finally reach 180 deg. with plyometrics and fast twitch muscle resistance drills. He's a Yondon now and the exercises I've mentioned above are what he does.
Fortunately, he's got the self-correcting self-directing circuit boards in his personal wiring and a couple of extra motivational plug-ins to boot.
Good luck girls. You're the future of our art.
There is much to make of every moment.
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All good points.
I would be reluctant to critique this woman's performance and direction based on a few photographs. Just because someone can do something (I was good at high kicks in my younger years) doesn't mean it's an emphasis of their art or a direction. I'm known around town now and then for a spining hook kick I did on a TV commercial, but that's not what I spend 99.9% of my time on. And I don't care to spend more time on it than I do. It just happened to be a technique that my gym wanted for their TV commercial, and it was something that I could pull out of my back pocket when asked.
It's the same with Shinjo Seiyu and his famous Sanseiryu photo.
That's a posed shot. Functionally that's an irrelevant position. Shinjo Seiryu is just hamming it up for the camera, showing off his physical abilities. The real movement - when done at an advanced level - involves very "live" hips (the Okinawan mochi thing). You would never consider locking yourself down like that. You would never tense your upper body muscles like that. To do either of the above would completely kill the elastic energy of the technique. But Shinjo Sensei sure does look buff in that photo!
I happen to like that photo of the Khoury sisters. It doesn't make me want to critique. It just makes me want to admire her.
- Bill
I would be reluctant to critique this woman's performance and direction based on a few photographs. Just because someone can do something (I was good at high kicks in my younger years) doesn't mean it's an emphasis of their art or a direction. I'm known around town now and then for a spining hook kick I did on a TV commercial, but that's not what I spend 99.9% of my time on. And I don't care to spend more time on it than I do. It just happened to be a technique that my gym wanted for their TV commercial, and it was something that I could pull out of my back pocket when asked.
It's the same with Shinjo Seiyu and his famous Sanseiryu photo.
That's a posed shot. Functionally that's an irrelevant position. Shinjo Seiryu is just hamming it up for the camera, showing off his physical abilities. The real movement - when done at an advanced level - involves very "live" hips (the Okinawan mochi thing). You would never consider locking yourself down like that. You would never tense your upper body muscles like that. To do either of the above would completely kill the elastic energy of the technique. But Shinjo Sensei sure does look buff in that photo!
I happen to like that photo of the Khoury sisters. It doesn't make me want to critique. It just makes me want to admire her.
- Bill
