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We all have our points of view. We each have things we emphasize. Back when I taught 18-26 year students at UVa (sometimes 70+ in beginners' class), I would use calisthenics to weed a crowded class down to a more determined few. The result was a group that tended to be very fit and more athletic than average. Was it a useful emphasis? The drills served a purpose for me. Some argue that other elements are as important (perhaps more important) than fitness when it comes to self-defense.

We all live in our own bubbles. I spend way too much of my free time in the gym, and I have to admit I have a distorted view of the world. It shocks me when I will walk into a drinking establishment and be among a crowd of smoking cows. Image There is no hyperbole here, folks. That's what my eyes see after spending so much time sweating with "the beautiful people." Ahh, but I don't mind having my eyes spoiled in that way. Image Having a healthcare practitioner and former competitive bodybuilder as a spouse further adds to my distorted world. We both add nutrition to our list of things we view with a perspective quite different from the norm.

I'm not overly preachy about it in my life, even though someone at work once called me a "body Nazi." I just do my thing and let example speak for itself. Live and let live. In my case, it makes me feel good. In my case, fitness has become somewhat of an addiction because I am holding chronic physical problems (old injuries) at bay just to live a "normal" life. When it comes to martial arts, self-defense, and effectiveness, we may all rationalize our own points of view. But evidence may speak to the contrary.

I ran across this article in the Richmond Times Dispatch today. It isn't a controlled study with results, but I thought you self defense and law enforcement types might find it interesting to ponder.

Wake-up call for fitness


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Bill,

Very interesting to ponder. As a fitness coordinator for a federal law enforcement agency, I can say that of course fitness is important, not only for the physical demands of the job, but even more so, IMHO for dealing with the stress inherent in the job.
Our agents are required to complete an annual health screning (blood work and a physical exam if warranted), and an annual fitness assessment (resting heart rate, recovery heart rate, 1.5 mile run, push ups/sit ups in one minute, flexibility test, body fat test).

The mandatory completion of same allows the agents to take up to three hours per week of on-duty time to participate in authorized fitness activities (aerobic, strength, flexibility exercises). You and I would consider this a great benefit.

However, you would be surprised at how few agents take advantage of this. Instead, generally speaking, these agents, in their desire to impress their bosses, etc., suffer additional stress and fall further out of shape. Go figure.

Joe
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fitness is important, not only for the physical demands of the job, but even more so, IMHO for dealing with the stress inherent in the job
I find your perspective very interesting. Some time back I ran across an article in the literature that I wanted to review more carefully and then discuss with Van. The main raison d’être of the article had nothing to do with fitness, exercise, and the sympathetic response. But a serendipitous finding was that those who participated in a certain amount (on the order of a couple of hours) of intense exercise per week were less prone to extreme response to sympathetic stimulation. For Joe or Sally Citizen, this means (s)he can use vigorous exercise to help deal with the inescapable stress of life on the job and in a less-than-perfect home environment. For the self-defense expert or law enforcement officer, it may mean a more appropriate response to life-threatening situations. The short-term benefit is obvious. But there is a suggestion of a long-term benefit in terms of better health through avoidance of illnesses and conditions associated with a lifetime of stress or repeated stressful situations. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
The mandatory completion of same allows the agents to take up to three hours per week of on-duty time to participate in authorized fitness activities ... However, you would be surprised at how few agents take advantage of this. Instead, generally speaking, these agents, in their desire to impress their bosses, etc., suffer additional stress and fall further out of shape.
In our business, the most expensive 1% of our members account for a quarter of the healthcare revenue spent on the population. The next 9% account for an additional 40%. When you study these folks, you see many are suffering from chronic illnesses that are related to poor lifestyle choices. We know what can make a difference. Most of them know what can make a difference. When we identify people with lifestyle opportunities and attempt to help them do they respond? Often no. When we send a general announcement out about wellness fairs and secondary prevention efforts, we are flooded with the worried well and those who read from the same hymnal. Sigh

Research shows that the recalcitrant generally will not respond until you catch them at crisis moments in their lives. In the case of a law enforcement officer, can we afford to wait until that point? Often no. It is a difficult situation.

I think the thing to realize is that it isn't about looking a certain way. I have had the pleasure in the last few years of working with a very large man. While he works for a large corporation and is presently in another city, my experiences with him show the complexity of dealing with "fitness" vs. martial arts and self-defense. You see ... part of what makes this young man so frighteningly good is his massive (315 lbs. +) "sumo" size. With some unusually powerful folks during body conditioning, they may bruise my forearms with their roundhouse kick. With this guy, I have sprained my elbow and pulled a back muscle on various occasions when we turned the volume up. So on the one hand I need to appreciate him for whom he is. Obviously he possesses a unique brand of athleticism. On the other hand, a little bit of questioning revealed that his father was dead and his brother had his first heart attack in his mid forties. So there are multiple issues to consider.

We have wellness benefits associated with our health insurance benefit where I work. I find them at time to be insulting. For example, they measure my body frame and height, and then tell me I must be within a certain weight range. Fine...except I am often darn near the extreme high end of my range - because I train with weights. Go figure. Meanwhile someone else on my floor may make the cut because they regularly take one of these OTC "diet" meds with ephedrine that ravage their body mass without discrimination. Who is the better picture of health? In the case of self-defense, who is better capable of performing? In one fight that Muhammad Ali fought in the twilight of his career, he took some of these diet drugs to lose lots of weight before the fight. Just before the fight, he posed for the cover of Sports Illustrated. He appeared to be in much better shape. Unfortunately his performance showed otherwise. Later after Holmes devastated him, he admitted that the drugs had caused him to lose a significant amount of muscle mass and strength. And the beating he took contributed to his present day trauma-induced Parkinson's syndrome. Sigh...

My personal belief is that it isn't about any particular physical outcome as it is about proper process. We each will manifest a fitness ideal in a unique way. We each have our own zone of physical "beauty." But from a bottom line perspective, the performance-related (as opposed to the measuring tape related) assessments performed by institutions like Hanover's Sheriff's Department are about as good as they get without getting overly impractical or abusive.

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I recently attended a Cardio Kick-Boxing class with my wife, who regularly attends the class. She was very interested in my opinion of the class, since I have been training MA for a number of years. She was concerned that I would think the class wasn't "real."

I went in with a totally open mind and I was very happy with the results. The instructor appeared to be a TKD instructor. And, he had great technique. He pushed the students, made corrections, and gave positive reinforcement. The class was an intense hour-long workout, which did not stop for a minute.

The positive aspects were these:
1. The instructor was in incredible shape. 2. The students were highly motivated. (There was a man in his 40s or 50s who was working as hard as he could, despite a clear physical problem, which should have precluded his participation IMHO).
3. The workout was intense; I was sweating buckets.

This is my primary criticism though. On a few occasions, the instructor made references to how a punch would be used to strike an opponent. This is where I believe cardio kick-boxing (and their ilk) can get into serious trouble. It is one thing to develop a cardio-vascular workout based on punches and kicks. It is another issue entirely to start discussing fighting applications in a class that has never (and will never) face an opponent (even in a class-setting).

The long and the short of it is this:
Good cardio workout (even for experienced martial artists).
Poor builder of false confidence in people who do not know any better (i.e., the students).

Just a few observations.

Rich
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I agree that fitness is important. But I just want to point out that sometimes a "lack of fitness" occurs because of circumstances completely beyond the control of the person. I know one guy who used to be super active and had a "rippin'" body. He decided to try sky-diving and loved it. Well, it just so happens that he ended up with a Mae West on one of his jumps. Now he uses a walker or a cane and is considered extremely obese. He was flat on his back for over a year... I know of others who have had even just a few months in the bed (hospital & home) and "lost" their shape... (hmmmm... "round" is a shape... ) Once that happens, getting back into shape is one of the hardest paths to walk. Not to mention that after major injuries, getting back into shape is severely compounded by the pain that goes along with each and every movement.

Sooooo, while fitness is important, we all can't be body builders and that guy that looks like the "average, out-of-shape, middle-aged putz" may just be beaming with pride inside because a year (or two or three) earlier, he was twice as big, in extreme pain and thinking his active life was basically over.

A little counter-point and food for thought...
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Panther

Good points. The person I was speaking of in my dojo has a "health issue." Of course it would be highly inappropriate to share that...

As I said, <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
it isn't about any particular physical outcome as it is about proper process
As a teacher of any kind, one must work with the individual and deal with their abilities and shortcomings. One of the most rewarding experiences I've ever had is having number 1 son being a slow learner in the dojo. This kid is several years ahead in reading and math, and has fine motor coordination beyond his years. But large motor coordination? Oye! Nevertheless, I have him do karate because it is one of the few things in life that don't come easy to him. One day when kids graduate from high school and go to college and actually have to work to get a decent grade, my son will appreciate the process and the work ethic necessary to get the job done.

On the other hand... Police departments need to have standards, just like schools need to have standards. Politically correct thinking can bite you in the a** when the bad guy wants to off you, or the officer needs to protect the citizen. Standards are extremely important. If it means police departments need to work twice as hard to help their officers meet the standards, well then so be it.... I have realistic expectations about my son and martial arts. I know he'll never be a Gary Khoury, and I'd be in denial if I ever expected IUKF or any other organization to give him rank just because he did the time. I shouldn't award him with anything more than a yellow belt after two years of hard work if that's all he's capable of doing. It just means I need to work twice as hard to help him learn, and work twice as hard to make sure it is a rewarding experience for him.

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There is an aspect to MA practice that makes a superior pursuit for those of us who are not necessarily gifted physically. One must learn body awareness and proper basic movement in order to progress. For me it introduced the joy of physical activity without the drubbing by the gifted athletes and know-it-alls of elementary school gym class. My dad had polio as a boy, we didn't pass the football and such. I learned early to avoid athletic activity because the other kids seemed to know everything and no one taught anything in gym. Karate emphasized individual effort and focus. After about two years under Berry Sensei I found athletic prowess and pleasure previously only fantasy for me. It took me almost 20 years to reach shodan. Bill, your son will get so much from his practice for the other areas of his life that rank will be irrelevant for him.

By the way, I have met alot of VERY able martial artists who secretly fantasize about meeting that elementary school gym teacher in a dark alley.

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I just want to point out that sometimes a "lack of fitness" occurs because of circumstances completely beyond the control of the person.
- Panther

You know just last Sunday, I was observing a couple that is now a regular in the weight room at the gym. The guy is just an average Joe that comes in and faithfully does his thing. And the wife? She's Asian and looks to be about 30 something. She gets around with a walker. It takes her ... oh ... about 5 minutes to walk from one end of the gym floor to the next. I don't know what her affliction is, but it mimics either a spinal injury or one of a number of the degenerative neuromuscular diseases. As I was stretching Sunday, I watched with utter admiration as the husband picked his wife up and placed her in one of the weight machines. The two of them appear absolutely to adore each other. On more than one occasion, I've chatted with her and told her how much she inspires me.

I've also witnessed at least three very pregnant women working out in the weight room this year. <BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote
That's what my eyes see after spending so much time sweating with "the beautiful people." Ahh, but I don't mind having my eyes spoiled in that way.
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Rich

I couldn't agree more.

Now I may be getting into a bit of trouble on this one, because some of our professional martial arts instructors DEPEND on these classes to keep the lights on and doors open in the school. As a nonprofit instructor, I don't have these worries. To a certain extent, a dojo instructor needs to address the needs of the marketplace so they can teach what is important to them.

But I think there is a right way to approach it. The issue is less of doing something that people want, and more of truth in advertising. Training is training; practice is practice. One (of many...) great mentor of mine was John Gamble. John was world heavyweight powerlifting champion in the 1980s. When I was at UVa and he was training for such, he was also the strength coach for the varsity athletes. He was a very giving person, and took time to work with individuals like my wife (who was a competitive bodybuilder) and myself (who was interested in a weight training program for martial arts). John would routinely disparage what many of the varsity coaches were doing at the time. Back when there was a lot of misunderstanding about the usefulness of strength training and conditioning, the baseball coaches might have their players doing exercises with weighted bats, or doing pitching motions with weights in their hands. Problem was, many of these folks didn't have the foggiest idea of the physics/biomechanics/physiology involved with doing this. The most important end result in strength training and conditioning is a properly balanced body (upper vs. lower body, extensor vs. flexor, strength vs. power vs. endurance). The best way to do that is to get to the basics in the weight room and in the training room. Sports practice then becomes the realization of the gains acquired in the training routines.

The funny thing about all this is that martial artists seem to be a decade or two behind all the traditional sports. Actually...I blame people like Billy Blanks and others who sell karate aerobics (they call it kickboxing) explicitly or implicitly as being something other than what it is. It is aerobics - period. Fighting is largely an ANAEROBIC activity. Aerobics are for developing the core competencies that one needs to function in the sports or martial activity. As John Gamble used to say, "You want to mess with those sports-specific exercises, or do you want to get strong?" Last I saw, John was strength coach for the Miami Dolphins. Obviously someone valued his point of view.

I used to think that karate aerobics would be a good way to get women in the dojo, and wanted to start it myself before it got popular. People like Billy Blanks beat me to the punch (sorry, bad pun...), and what they produced wasn't what I had hoped for. One cannot start off waving the arms and legs in class with sports motions if one doesn't first train the fundamentals of that sport's motions. Doing several hundred bad punches on each side may get you in shape from an aerobic point of view, but it will do more harm than good as far as learning how to punch. Without the time spent on form and the emphasis on what product is being delivered, the activity is suspect at best.

Want to learn how to punch? Do kata and hit things. Want to get good aerobic work? Run, or do the many machines you find in a health club, or swim, or whatever. Want to get strong? Find a good strength coach and lift like all the other athletes do.

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Ted,

I with ya on that. Image I sucked in sports. Always the last one chosen for the team. My last sports involvement was basketball when I was in middle school. I won the (less than coveted) "most inspired" player award. This meant that I sucked but tried like hell!

I retired after that award and participated only in solo types of sports. I used to be told by some that I was "gifted" in martial arts when I was younger... Maybe I was and maybe I wasn't... Didn't matter because what counted was that, unlike team sports, no one can stop me from "playing."

Speaking for myself, being able to play is important. Fitness may just be an side outcome. I know... it sounds contradictory. But I am the guy that goes out for a smoke after class. Despite GEM's admonishments to the contrary. Image

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