why do I see more style bashing?

[gmattson]

I'd be interested in the guy standing in the background, who also appears to be doing something.

Animals can be trained to react to signals

[Bill Glasheen]

George

Please see my post. This isn't magic. These goats represent a whole herd that is passing on a genetic defect. The goats go vasovagal - like an opposum - whenever they get frightened. The guy to the left is just spooking them.

There are all kinds of wierd genetic defects that come and go in gene pools. Now and then nature gets lucky and finds one that is advantageous to a breed. My newly acquired dog has such an "interesting" defect - a ridge of hair growing backwards on its back. Now breeders consider any dog without the ridge as a disqualification for the breed.

Imagine being the first animal born with an opposable thumb. We'd be lost as a species without it.

- Bill

[Van Canna]

What you write Bill does give much to think about.

What really defines style shall remain a mystery because under stress stylistic differences seem to mostly vanish with primal instincts and physical response action barging in and taking over.

Moto and Taro, the formidable Japanese champions who came to visit Boston in the sixties

Van, karate is kick and punch, and no more.But as you kick and punch, you must have the ability and power to kill the opponent.

And so it was with them as they reached the semifinals against Chuck Norris and Joe Lewis at the All American, 1968.

I wish we could get Dave Finkelstein to talk about Moto and Taro_

[Bill Glasheen]

This was something I separated out of a previous post about the goats. Lots of posts happening very quickly. Van may partially be referring to this.

I spend my days doing stats. These days I'm supposed to be the experts on benchmarks and outliers for an array of health care metrics.

No matter how many places you look, it's always the same. A small number of people own most of the money. A small number of people account for most of the days in a hospital. A small number of people account for the most dollars spent by a health insurance company. If you get enough data, the statistical distribution is so predictable that it has a name. (the Bradford distribution).

A small number of people know most of the stuff in martial arts. It's the same across all styles. Different styles cater to different needs. Some styles cull whereas others include and nurture. But they all have the best and worst of what humanity has to offer. Look ma, no chi! Everyone who excells earns it the hard way. But the vast majority is working on it.

If an organization has any kind of reputation, it has a decent process to certify those who best represent that which the style has to offer. But the best of what a style has to offer no more represents all the practitioners of said style than a Chevy Corvette represents all of what goes out the Chevy showroom.

Constant obsession with the shortcomings of other styles and stylists is the surest sign in my book of major insecurities. And that's a cross that said individuals can bear all on their own.

[Van Canna]

Correct, Bill

[a.f.]

Another rant by the same guy:

It is the style - otherwise number of MMA guys would still train in karate and would not switch into BJJ/Muai Thai.

Pedro Sauer was in karate as a kid. Ask him what he thinks about it, and why is he training BJJ and not karate.

Personally:

I actually jumped into "ring" with my former "internationally ranked" karateka colleagues more than few times.

We (members of my Judo club) actually during state games wanted to enroll in Karate contest.

The only issue was that according to the rules of the karate competition
blood letting meant automatic qualification for the person inflicting the bleeding causing damage.

How different than Judo.

In Judo, blood letting happens every single match.

So we sort of decided not to waste $40 on karate competition.

[JimHawkins]

If style is a definition of training then some training is going to be superior for certain things.. Some TMA for example may just train forms and forms alone.... Is this training/style "equal" to any/every other form of combative training for fighting??

[a.f.]

You may be confusing "training style," "training" and "style."



To be serious, do you agree with the guys I quoted? I sure don't.

[JimHawkins]

You may be confusing "training style," "training" and "style."



To be serious, do you agree with the guys I quoted? I sure don't.

Maybe, but I don't think so.. IMO style and system, of course with some variation at the school level, includes at the core the kind of training used..

To wit:

Show me a Boxer who doesn't box...

Show me a Judoka who doesn't throw and get thrown..

It's important to note that in both cases above one trains to do what they do against fully resisting partners and at essentially full power--within the rules of the styles.. But full resistance under full power attack are two key attributes that, if left out of a style or system of training, means these attributes will be under developed--and there are still more attributes to look at as well.

[a.f.]

Absolutely correct. But again, I think this is a function of how people train, rather than their art.

[AAAhmed46]

You may be confusing "training style," "training" and "style."



To be serious, do you agree with the guys I quoted? I sure don't.

Maybe, but I don't think so.. IMO style and system, of course with some variation at the school level, includes at the core the kind of training used..

To wit:

Show me a Boxer who doesn't box...

Show me a Judoka who doesn't throw and get thrown..

It's important to note that in both cases above one trains to do what they do against fully resisting partners and at essentially full power--within the rules of the styles.. But full resistance under full power attack are two key attributes that, if left out of a style or system of training, means these attributes will be under developed--and there are still more attributes to look at as well.

The bullshido code:

ALIVENESS!


And Jim, i wasnt trying to take shots at wing chun, i was just pointint out that by saying muay thai would kill any karate guy because most karate ***** because the people mess it up is like saying wing chun ***** because the guy training in it is a dope(like phil elmore)

[JimHawkins]

And Jim, i wasnt trying to take shots at wing chun, i was just pointint out that by saying muay thai would kill any karate guy because most karate ***** because the people mess it up is like saying wing chun ***** because the guy training in it is a dope(like phil elmore)

Adam

There is not much that will get me pissed off.. Many folks here take these things way too seriously and then get personal and nasty.. No need for any of this if we are just making observations and asking questions.. I will be the first to say that 99% of the WCK out there is horrible..

I dunno about the 10 times thing though..

[JimHawkins]

The bullshido code:

ALIVENESS!

That's a Bruce Lee-ism...

because the guy training in it is a dope(like phil elmore)

Have to ask... Why is he a "dope"?

[fivedragons]

Aaaaarrrrrrgggghhh!!!!!!!!!

Why must there be all this bashin' matey?

There be plenty o' room on this galley for all manner o' swashbuckler!

Up to the crow's nest with ye, and batten the hatches, for there be a bitter sea ahead.

[fivedragons]

No one will ever understand wing chun until they get a finger in their eye. Just for once, I'd like someone to tell the world just how in the hell is someone supposed to make a video clip showing "MARTIAL" arts in use.

People don't want the truth, they just want pornography.